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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That issue came up here; Bon Bon is served by a railroad.
http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6144
However, I wouldn't be surprised if Simon Blue owned an airship, either for his own personal use, or for overseeing the operations of his mines.
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Forgive me Sir, I was unable to attend last nights session. An illness took me and I retired early. I would though like to take you up on your challenge to a race. The departure and arrival ports to be decided at your discretion and convenience. The weather conditions ect. typical for this time of year. The glove is down Sir, and the game afoot and may the better male win!


Hm! I don't have the advantage of your vessel's power source - we shall require a sponsor to pay for coal and wages.... I daresay if the glove is down then I may have to dig into my own pockets, but let us try to do this in a business manner first. Surely someone would be interested in the publicity such a race would generate!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scots men are often accused of having deep pockets and short arms.
I would gladly sponser you myself. However Embarassed most of my funds are tied up with the construction of the aerodrome and I have very little spare.
But I am sure that in a town such as Bon Bon there are males willing to support such a race. Simon Blue may be interested in such, or even Princess Betty. Curious Just think of the gambling opportunities.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Publicity, you say? I think my employer, William T. "Jackalope" Bircham, might know a thing or two about promotion, and the spectacle you two are cooking up seems like something he would take great interest in... He has a fair amount of experience in gathering the interests of wealthy investors, as a traveling spectacle like his own Wild West show would need quite a few investors to keep it traveling to so many far-off corners of the world...

Maybe I could introduce you two gentlemen to him. Just mind you don't ask him about his antlers... he's a bit sensitive about that subject. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Perhaps the good Captain and myself should introduce ourselves and our proposal to this gentleman.
Such an coventure with his patronage would surely be benifical to all concerned. Also with Christmas fast approaching there will be doubtless many fare paying passengers wishing to spend the festivites in Bon Bon,which would amply replete Captain Tursi's sea chest with gold and silver.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting. Perhaps the good Captain and myself should introduce ourselves and our proposal to this gentleman.
Such an coventure with his patronage would surely be benifical to all concerned. Also with Christmas fast approaching there will be doubtless many fare paying passengers wishing to spend the festivites in Bon Bon,which would amply replete Captain Tursi's sea chest with gold and silver.


Are there also 1 person machines? And some training planes to learn to fly?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am afraid sir, that my airship will only one of a very few, a product of simultaneous development by individuals around the world. Although I cannot see why others could not develop other forms of aircraft, it would be out of context for the time period. my own airship is pushing the bounderies of accepted science.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I promised Captain Tursi a explanation of the power sources of my airship. The motive power comes from four of the newly developed inturnal combustion engines each capable of producing 350 h.p.
Allowing the Daedalus to cruise at approx. 55 m.p.h. with a max. speed of over 70 m.p.h. Though this would put a severe strain on the engines and fuel supply. The lifting agent is as I have stated elsewhere is nether Helium nor Hydrogen, but rather a element of my sister's and my own invention called 'Buggerit'. This element has properties which negates the pull of the Earth's gravity field, much like Professor Cavor's Cavorite,
except buggerit provides more control. Allowing the greater mass of the 'Daedalus' to be devoted to passenger/cargo space and fuel capacity.
The element 'Buggerit' with the introduction of other chemicals can become a powerful explosive. one kilo of Buggerit being equal to one Tonne of conventional explosive. Hence our slogan. " If Cavorite won't lift it and dynamite won't shift it then BUGGERIT!.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even with the rail lift in town, I still imagine Mr.Blue could keep an airship busy with heavy-lift jobs. Not to mention hauling supplies on the occasions when the road up to the mines gets snowed closed.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even with the rail lift in town, I still imagine Mr.Blue could keep an airship busy with heavy-lift jobs. Not to mention hauling supplies on the occasions when the road up to the mines gets snowed closed.


In short, he's going to stay on top of things by hauling assets? Very Happy
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Martin wrote:
Marauder wrote:
Even with the rail lift in town, I still imagine Mr.Blue could keep an airship busy with heavy-lift jobs. Not to mention hauling supplies on the occasions when the road up to the mines gets snowed closed.


In short, he's going to stay on top of things by hauling assets? Very Happy


*ba-dum-ching*
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Martin
In short, he's going to stay on top of things by hauling assets? Very Happy[/quote]

"groan" Rolling Eyes Razz Walks off muttering "Where's my service revolver"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[quote="Martin
In short, he's going to stay on top of things by hauling assets? Very Happy


"groan" Rolling Eyes Razz Walks off muttering "Where's my service revolver"[/quote]

Hey, hey little man, no time to kill you self. That is my job.

And if you try to kill your self before I have my first flying experience, I will stop you and spank you ass with my sword scabbard.

And I try to never lie.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

henkcobra wrote:
And I never lie.


You must save a bunch in beds, man...

(Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the tuna. Very Happy )
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Believe me Sir when I say, it was not for me that the bullet was intended!
In fact with humor like that I think I would be better off with the Vicker's
machine gun. Tongue Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
henkcobra wrote:
And I never lie.


You must save a bunch in beds, man...

(Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the tuna. Very Happy )


What do you mean, mister martin.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Martin wrote:
henkcobra wrote:
And I never lie.


You must save a bunch in beds, man...

(Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the tuna. Very Happy )


What do you mean, mister martin.


It was a pun, a joke based on the dual meaning of the term "lie" as "not saying the truth" and as "laying oneself flat".
And, apparently, the joke fell flat itself Very Happy

Oh, and the "try the tuna" is a common parting line used by stage comedians Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And if you try to kill your self before I have my first flying experience, I will stop you and spank you ass with my sword holder.
And I never lie.


Shocked blink Och aye, there was an officer like that in my regiment.
He eventually eloped with the Sergeant Major Embarassed Laughing Set up a winkle stall in Brighton together so I was told. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tearlach wrote:
henkcobra wrote:

And if you try to kill your self before I have my first flying experience, I will stop you and spank you ass with my sword holder.
And I never lie.


Shocked blink Och aye, there was an officer like that in my regiment.
He eventually eloped with the Sergeant Major Embarassed Laughing Set up a winkle stall in Brighton together so I was told. Laughing


Sorry I'm still alone and virgin.

So I think that I don't will fly a way, because where do I have to go.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin wrote:
henkcobra wrote:
Martin wrote:
henkcobra wrote:
And I never lie.


You must save a bunch in beds, man...

(Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the tuna. Very Happy )


What do you mean, mister martin.


It was a pun, a joke based on the dual meaning of the term "lie" as "not saying the truth" and as "laying oneself flat".
And, apparently, the joke fell flat itself Very Happy

Oh, and the "try the tuna" is a common parting line used by stage comedians Very Happy



Oke, I understand. When do you have to spar with me?
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Sorry I'm still alone and virgin.
So I think that I don't will fly a way, because where do I have to go.

Och Laddie, Fly to Bob Bon.You are never alone here and this is where you will always find friends Very Happy bouncy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are there also 1 person machines? And some training planes to learn to fly?

I am feeling a little bad for the jokes I have made. So I am offering Mr Henkcobra a single seater fighter plane of his very own.
It will be maintained, fueled,armed and hangered at my aerodrome free of charge. Shocked Surprised
Here are a few suggestions, however I am afraid that nothing after 1918
can be allowed.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8R6q9zhTc&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOdXsVqk_Q&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w_LqQl3hc4s

However if Mr Henkcobra has some thing else in mind then please just say, and I will try to find the satistics for the aircraft.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Forgive me Sir, I was unable to attend last nights session.


Indeed, I seem to have missed a fair bit myself! I apologize, I'm frequently called away on short notice.

JohnnyPsycho wrote:
Publicity, you say? I think my employer, William T. "Jackalope" Bircham, might know a thing or two about promotion, and the spectacle you two are cooking up seems like something he would take great interest in...


Well, Johnny, an introduction would be very much appreciated! I'm sure we can find a way to ensure that we all come out ahead, regardless of the actual outcome of the event!

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Also with Christmas fast approaching there will be doubtless many fare paying passengers wishing to spend the festivites in Bon Bon,which would amply replete Captain Tursi's sea chest with gold and silver.


{chuckles} Well, I don't get all the fares, I don't own the ship myself. But I'm certain that promise will ensure the voyage is not just a promotion for the company. (Although once again that image of pirate comes up, with the decks lined with treasure - who planted that idea in my head?! Wink )

If we did a standard run from Southampton to New York, it would be easy to keep the passenger decks full.. though of course for the westward voyage I should prefer to take on, perhaps just a few of the more adventurous passengers who would pay to be a part of the event - this gives me a lighter ship and a better chance. And this, of course, is why we need a sponsor to help with the costs.

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This element has properties which negates the pull of the Earth's gravity field, much like Professor Cavor's Cavorite


While airships are not an element I am well aware of, I do find interest in this. If it can make your airship lighter, does it work in the water? Even if it can not lift our mighty steamships into the air, just reducing the load by a few thousand tons would make a massive difference in the cost of transport.

Martin wrote:
In short, he's going to stay on top of things by hauling assets?

You must save a bunch in beds, man...

And, apparently, the joke fell flat itsel


Ack! You're killing me! Laughing

[edit: correct port Wink ]
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My invention Buggerit could indeed lift your ship clean out of the water.
However the small screw {and I swear I will bring out the big guns for any joke) of the ship would be inefficent for propulsion against the less dense air. The ship would simply float in mid-air. But a lesser amount would negate the weight of cargo allowing the ship to ride higher and faster in the water.
This call goes out to all our fellow adventurers, male and female, join the fun and brave the high seas and the mile high club. Sorry Embarassed I meant the high air and enjoy the phenomenon of a life time!


{ Was that all right P.T.? It wasn't over the top?}
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOCly, I did a little bit of research, since I was curious about what kind of a contest my Captain has got himself into. What I found was this (and apologies if I missed anything obvious, I'm still settling into this role Wink )

Southhampton to New York direct: 3415 miles (not nautical miles)

Now, it seems most of the actual record timings were done from Queenstown, Ireland, to Sandy Hook (essentially at the entrance to New York Bay) - a distance of 3277 miles. This 200 mile difference is obviously notable given the speeds of the steamships at the time, so I'll use the latter distance as it's more likely to match up with my research figures, which were frequently a little vague. Math below is frequently rounded.

Airship: 55mph avg = 59.5hrs (2.5 days)
Steamship of about 16 knots avg = 18mph = 182hrs (7.5 days)

6 days was possible in 1895, so 23mph (20 knots) was reasonable. (ref: Lucania - 5d, 7.5hr for Sandy Hook to Queenstown, although apparently not beaten until the Lusitania in 1907 cut it down to 5d, 1hr. Both trips were WITH the prevailing wind, too, the latter at an average speed of 27mph (23.5 knots).)

4 days, the target challenge, is 34mph (29.5 knots).

Note that even as late as 1910, passenger steamships were still operating at 21 (ref: Titanic) to 27 (ref: Mauretania) knots, but this is probably fully loaded and at a safe speed. Races are frequently noted to be settled within a single knot of average speed (although the actual values are hard to come by), so the jump from 20 to 30 knots is substantial.

By deducting the mass of the passengers, cargo, and associated supplies that we don't need, running full out, and adding in a bit of our fantasy, we could probably argue the ship is capable. But the airship is still far faster.

In a direct line, the Westerlies provide a headwind, although if a path is taken south, the trade winds are favorable. These winds could be substantial so the airship would almost certainly have to divert. The steamship would lose some power to the headwind, but could possibly push through direct. (The estimated speed and travel times support that they did, though I haven't found charts yet). That's really the only chance for there to be a contest at all.
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Don't give up hope just yet. Did any steamships burn oil at that time? (It would reduce tonnage if they did.) Oil also burns slightly hotter than coal, so that equates to more P.S.I. in the boilers at your disposal. Additionally, it would be possible to increase speed if you replaced the original vertical steam engines with a steam-turbine drive, which could, at this time, be in the "experimental" phase, of course. Wink
With the right financial support ( ie: your sponsors), the conversion could be accomplished ( in terms of steam- operated equipment ) fairly quickly.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tearlach wrote:
henkcobra wrote:

Are there also 1 person machines? And some training planes to learn to fly?

I am feeling a little bad for the jokes I have made. So I am offering Mr Henkcobra a single seater fighter plane of his very own.
It will be maintained, fueled,armed and hangered at my aerodrome free of charge. Shocked Surprised
Here are a few suggestions, however I am afraid that nothing after 1918
can be allowed.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8R6q9zhTc&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOdXsVqk_Q&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w_LqQl3hc4s

However if Mr Henkcobra has some thing else in mind then please just say, and I will try to find the satistics for the aircraft.


I like the plane with the red collour, 3 wings and the black cross.

Now only a teacher, some training and I'm ready to fight in the air.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the plane with the red collour, 3 wings and the black cross.

Now only a teacher, some training and I'm ready to fight in the air.


A excellent choice, and one I thought you would like. bouncy
The Fokker Dr1 Tri-plane as flown by the infamous Manfred Von Richthofen {The Red Baron). You can of course change the colour, though that is part of its appeal, and the cross to a more personal design, a striking/rearing cobra or something different perhaps? Curious
As to a teacher there may be other aviators here?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tearlach wrote:
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I like the plane with the red collour, 3 wings and the black cross.

Now only a teacher, some training and I'm ready to fight in the air.


A excellent choice, and one I thought you would like. bouncy
The Fokker Dr1 Tri-plane as flown by the infamous Manfred Von Richthofen {The Red Baron). You can of course change the colour, though that is part of its appeal, and the cross to a more personal design, a striking/rearing cobra or something different perhaps? Curious
As to a teacher there may be other aviators here?


first a teacher, then some machine worker to teach me how to repair the plane, then change colours, and wapens
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Airship: 55mph avg = 59.5hrs (2.5 days)
Steamship of about 16 knots avg = 18mph = 182hrs (7.5 days)

6 days was possible in 1895, so 23mph (20 knots) was reasonable. (ref: Lucania - 5d, 7.5hr for Sandy Hook to Queenstown, although apparently not beaten until the Lusitania in 1907 cut it down to 5d, 1hr. Both trips were WITH the prevailing wind, too, the latter at an average speed of 27mph (23.5 knots).)

4 days, the target challenge, is 34mph (29.5 knots).

By deducting the mass of the passengers, cargo, and associated supplies that we don't need, running full out, and adding in a bit of our fantasy, we could probably argue the ship is capable. But the airship is still far faster.

In a direct line, the Westerlies provide a headwind, although if a path is taken south, the trade winds are favorable. These winds could be substantial so the airship would almost certainly have to divert. The steamship would lose some power to the headwind, but could possibly push through direct. (The estimated speed and travel times support that they did, though I haven't found charts yet). That's really the only chance for there to be a contest at all.


THAT is alot of homework Shocked Cool I think I can handicap the speed of the 'Daedalus' somewhat. The early petrol engines needed to be "run in" i.e. that a certain length of time/mileage had to pass before the engine could be opened up to full trottle or considerable damage would result.
Taking this in to consideration the Daedalus would not be able to reach her full power and speed . A "Safe" speed would be 30 to 35 mph which would make the race more competitive whistling Wink
Also there is the aspect of new technology to consider, breakdowns ect.
So perhaps it will be a close run thing after all. Curious bouncy
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