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Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

Yeah. I agree. The show is getting to be slightly lame. But I'm still hooked on seeing what happens.

They always bring in the Borg to increase ratings.... (Voyager for instance.) Of course 7 of 9 was pretty hot... Smile

Now they just need to add more chicks to enterprise. and voila!

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electrondady1 · Rank: Senior Member Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 212

i think they fumbled the ball with enterprise right from the start they put in animosity between the humans and vulcans. i always thought the vulcan culture was cool and when any one went to vulcan , it was interesting. now there is no neck pinch or mind melds they introduce a new species every week but none of them are mentioned in "later programs". the entire season devoted to the zindi ? a soap opera . the individual epesodes must stand on there own . i think the enterprise show lacks the moral dimension that was inherant in startrek under rodenbery. and i dislike scot bakula altogether.

Jeff · Head Pixelgrinder Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 425

I used to be a big time Trek fan, but the current leadership of the franchise has just ruined it. They’ve spent more than 35 years building this universe and populating it with characters, and yet they insist on ignoring it. I really loved TNG and DS9, but when Voyager came along, they had to throw the ship to the other side of the galaxy, so re-visiting existing characters, planets, and storylines were not possible. Enterprise got even worse, because now we’re in the past, with no way to check in on the franchise we all watched for so many years. DS9 ended with Sisko in the wormhole, and they’ve never shown a spark of interest in bringing him back. The end of Voyager was a big let down, because the last five minutes of the last show were where things would start to get interesting. How does the crew re-adjust to life in the Alpha quadrant? What do the former Marquee crew members do, now that the war they were fighting is over? How does Seven of Nine handle Earth? And over on DS9, what’s happening with the Dominion and the Gamma quadrant? Did Bajor ever gain admittance into the Federation? Has Nog made captain yet?

And not just cast members, but all the guest stars who could turn up again, like in the early years of DS9, like Q and Vash. Instead, we have a series set in a time that doesn’t allow people like me, who have been following this franchise for so many years, to keep up with things. I stopped watching Enterprise somewhere in the second season, and don’t really care about anything I’ve read for upcoming shows. I’d rather see the Enterprise-E again, with Riker as captain (I doubt Patrick Stewart would ever return in a series), and a crew made up of members from the other shows along with some new folks.
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Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

roxstar · Rank: Mr. Fabulous Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 413

I'm not much of a treckie but I did enjoy the Next Generation series.
Always wondered
if Seven of Nine is Seven of Nine does that mean theres 8 more fit babes somewhere too?

electrondady1 · Rank: Senior Member Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 212

i was hopeing that after the voyager series ended they would make a seven of nine movie i was quite smitten with jerry ryans character. it must be tough in hollywood if your a visionary. the system is geared for yesmen and power brokers. anyone could write a screen play like that on a weekend. off the top of my head , how about seven's child is assimilated and she goes after another borg queen to get the kid back. even the enterprise series could have concentrated on the formation of the "federation" if i'm not mistaken even in"kirks" time there were supposed to be 120 members. they could have had a new member world join every week and had a five year run on tv. that would have filled in a very interesting part of the mythos of startrek

Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

A true star trek fan! geesh - I didn't know they had 120 members in the federation.... But you're right. with the universe so vast... you'd thing it'd have more then 120 by now.

Jeff is right tho... they've encountered so many species- why not develeop them so more.

Well- they did develop the Andorians... Interesting race.

What I really want to know is the true origin of the Borgs. They made a movie on that.... But if they want more ratings - I think a whole series based on some Voyager chars, some DS9 chars, some STTNG chars and develop more on the Borg and that other race that the Borgs are scared of. Species 12334? (whatever that number is)
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Wildcard · Rank: Super Veteran Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2133

I've heard rumor that there could be a Voyager movie in the future, and that Janeway's appearance in Star Trek: Nemesis was a lead in for this. The beginning of the cross over from one Trek crew to the next. Guess only time will tell for sure.

On the subject of Enterprise, I hope they NEVER AGAIN do a full season devoted to one objective. I got so sick of hearing about the Zindi council that I wanted the Borg to come along and assimilate them all.
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DEATH TO ALL TREKIES!
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electrondady1 · Rank: Senior Member Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 212

i don't consider myself a treki . its just ,the show painted an optimistic view of the future which is rare. my brain chemestry is such that i forget very little. but i don't speak klingon or have a costume. sorry.

Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

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I think I'd rather see her exploring her sexual relations with Reed, and then maybe move on to Hoshi to give some kinky girl/girl action a try. Mr. Green

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I thought that would really ring your chimes, Ron. Perhaps they could have a few episodes devoted to it - HEEHEE!
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Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

Well the news is out.... Enterprise has been cancelled.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9469.html

Personally, I thought the show needs to end. Nothing exciting on the show except the vulcan hottie. Question is what will be the next StarTrek show, or will there be one? I think the whole StarTrek tv and movies franchise maybe be coming to an end.

Share your thoughts!

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Wildcard · Rank: Super Veteran Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 2133

Too bad Trek on TV has to end like this. Hard to believe Enterprise couldn't even outshine the likes of Deep Space Nine. I'd love to see Voyager brought back, but with the way they botched Enterprise I'd hate to see them do the same thing to Voyager. Perhaps in a year or two, after a break from Star Trek, Berman could make a Voyager movie for the silver screen and restore glory to Star Trek. I'm very doubtful we'll be seeing another Trek TV series, as I believe Enterprise was said to be the final one back when it first got started. There was always rumor about doing a show centered around Starfleet academy, or one which focused primarily on the Klingons, but I think those were fanciful musings that will never see the light of day. If Enterprise truly is over and this isn't just a ploy to shock Trek fans into a renewed ferver for the show, then I don't see Berman going back to try and merge aspects of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Voyager in a desperate effort to launch a new Trek series. As much as I hate to see Star Trek reach its end on TV, it was inevitable anyway with Enterprise having to draw to a close at some point. No Trek series has gone beyond seven years, and I didn't expect Enterprise to be any different. It's a real shame though that it's come up short, in more than one way.
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HSHP · Rank: Senior Member Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 309

It's possible they could do a series with the Enterprise B. A series on C would be short lived considering we already know what happens there. I think, unless Enterprise is the end of Trek on TV, an Acadamy series would be interesting, as long as they didn't make it into the usual school-series fare. I don't think anyone here wants to see "Saved By The Bell: The Federation Years". Rolling Eyes

Though a Klingon one would probably be more action packed, I think it might be kind of limited, depending on when they set it. It's really too bad Gene Roddenberry died. Without him, the vision of Star Trek kind of got dilluted.

Though, looking on IMDB.com, I did find this. Trek might not be dead.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/

Also, I think this guy says it best why ST is where it is.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/board/nest/15029594
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King Snarf · Rank: Rookie Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 66

I still can't believe Enterprise got another season while a great show like Angel got canned last year... Stupid TV execs!

Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

I'll have to agree with all the things you've said Wildcard. And well said too.

I don't know if I'm going to be interested in a Starfleet Academy concept. (like what HSHP") That is more or less going to be very "Roswell" or "Smallville" like... (Teen Drama?)

Sounds like "90210/Save By the Bell/Private Benjamin" scenario of college or something....

I guess it could be interesting if done right. But after seeing how Enterprised failed... I've lost hope for the StarTrek series... Voyager was lame and I was surprised it got as far as it did. I actually started watching Voyager when they introduced "7 of 9". I think that was the only thing that saved the show. Just when it got really fun and interesting, the show ended.

But then again the best characters out of that series, according to the ratings and fans, were the Doctor and Seven of Nine. Why the hell did they go off and start something new when they could have centered the story around more of Seven of Nine and how she adjusted with the new earth life?

It's not like these actors are in retirement mode where they're never wanting to act again on TV. I can see Generations crew not wanting to do TV series anymore... But there were some cast members that are available to do TV series. Why not pull them all together and make a new story and go on with the continuity. More Borg invasions or something.

Well.... The way I see it is--- Enterprise was just a failed attempt at capitalizing on Scott Bakula and turning it into a "Quantum Leap" like show. I mean seriously... The whole Temporal ColdWar crap, Time Traveling, Daniels... I mean... it's a Quantum Leap knock off... Daniels = "Al" in a sorta way.... The Season Finales were almost like the endings of a Quantum Leap episode. Nice try... but no cigar.

I like time traveling stuff and all... But they really did a sloppy job with it in this show. It was interesting in the first season but they didn't progress it enough to hold interest. Everything in the show was dragging the epic arc story out a bit too long. (There was one mystery in the story arc that I never got... Who was that guy from the future that gave orders to the Suliban.???)

Season 4 is a complete failure. I think the producers realized the show was going to fail and decided to get an escape goat....
After reading this article:
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9549.html

King Snarf · Rank: Rookie Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 66

Mirror Universe? I'm all for it, unless we're subjected to evil Neelix.

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Ronald · Forum Admin Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Posts: 3670

Interesting Blog piece by Ron Moore:

http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/02/index.html#a000017

And in other news....
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=30368
http://www.enterprisefans.com/

Fans are trying to get season 5 of Enterprise to be picked up....

I'd be surprised to see if this stunt actually works.

-R
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King Snarf · Rank: Rookie Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 66

I've learned from Angel's cancellation last year that fan campaigns don't work. Basically, the key thing for Enterprise fans to do is a) watch the remaining episodes, b) watch it if it gets picked up in syndication, and c) buy the DVD's. The last two steps were what gave Family Guy a second chance.

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electrondady1 · Rank: Senior Member Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 212

as far as enterprise goes im' glad they killed it . i think it was poorly cast and writen right fron the start . what some body forgot is that star trek was allways an action show . even though it was a thoughtful series the plot lines moved right along . one show i wish they could have given more time to was called firefly i thought it was a great show.