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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: Issue 6 discussion... |
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Really I just wanted to make a couple comments about the way things are going thus far...
I really enjoy looking back into the past of the characters, and especially to see a bit more about Red and Mary's background together. This latest page makes me wonder a couple things about the ages of the characters at this point, so I figured I'd do the math just to save other people the time...
If Red, Betty, and Mary are all 26, 23, and 20 years old, respectively (according to their bio pages), then that would make them 21, 18, and 15 as of 1890, which is when the current flashback is taking place.
I did this only because, at first, I was wondering how old Red had to be in order to enter an establishment such as the Delight Castle without security trying to rush him out... obviously, being 21, he's old enough to be going into such places (at least by today's standards... the standard "legal age" was probably different in real life in 1890).
I also came to the conclusion that Betty, being 18, could be construed as "legal-age" by our same current standards, which got me thinking... just how soon after becoming an "adult" did Betty start her current career in prostitution? Mary's story says she works there as a maid, but perhaps that's changed since the last time the two have seen eachother?
*sigh* The anticipation and speculation seems to never end, I'm afraid... 
Oh, and on a side-note, I just noticed Donovan Lancaster, Aurioch's fursona, making a quick cameo in the last panel... It appears "The Don" has been a customer of the Delight Castle for a few years now. I wonder, would a return customer like "The Don" expect certain perks and bonuses for such loyal patronage? If so, Mr. Six-Killer might be thinking about making numerous trips to the town of Bon Bon in the future... 
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: |
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I'm enjoying the flashback as well, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what Red will find at the Delight Castle. Mary talks about how her father threw Betty out and forbade her from visiting Mary again. That could mean that Edelweiss has already been exiled or is about to be. Which makes me think that you may be right that a lot has changed for Betty since Mary last saw her. She could be the princess of the Delight Castle already.
I'm still hoping to see Edelweiss though, and to find out more about what happened to her.
Also, I wonder how long the flashback is going to be. There's so much that could be told in it, I guess, but there's also the ball that's going to be in issue 6.
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Vanessa
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Bravo Johnny! You get the right way, the ages are correct, nothing in PBB is for case. I hoped that someone would have verified the age of the characters from the respective biographies. And yes, you and Symphony are right on the points, a part that we will not see Edelweiss in this issue, but she will reappear in the next issue 7, and will be exciting to discover that...... no, nothing spoilers for now!
PS Hey, don' t you have noted that Betty often put on the heart brooch of Edelweiss (and that it is appeared on the top in the cover of the issue # 4) ?
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Vanessa wrote: |
PS Hey, don' t you have noted that Betty often put on the heart brooch of Edelweiss (and that it is appeared on the top in the cover of the issue # 4) ? |
I hadn't noticed it until you just mentioned it. That's a nice touch.
I also noticed how some of the girls, who we saw in the flashback from 1880 in issue 4, are still working at the castle in 1890. I wonder if Lily is still a maid or if she works there like the other girls at that time. 
I like her for some reason 
And the way Red reacts to the Delight Castle reminds me of how William behaved when he first arrived in Bon Bon
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Symphony wrote: | | And the way Red reacts to the Delight Castle reminds me of how William behaved when he first arrived in Bon Bon |
I thought the same thing, though William seemed to behave a bit more manic when he first arrived, though of course his weakness was gambling at the time, not sex...
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Symphony wrote: | I wonder if Lily is still a maid or if she works there like the other girls at that time.
I like her for some reason |
Stai tuned dear, you will receive a really good surprise in the upcoming page!
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnnyPsycho wrote: | | Symphony wrote: | | And the way Red reacts to the Delight Castle reminds me of how William behaved when he first arrived in Bon Bon |
I thought the same thing, though William seemed to behave a bit more manic when he first arrived, though of course his weakness was gambling at the time, not sex... |
In Red's case, I think this is more of his first time seeing women showing off their sexuality. A interesting thing for a young man at Red's past age...
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Speaking from personal experience, Shadow?
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: |
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This brings to mind the question of Bon Bon's lascivious nature. More specifically, it's origin. Was the town always so inclined to salaciousness? It's possible, given the town origins (a mining town if I remember right). However Bon Bon's incline towards prurience could have started later, but in either case it was probably a gradual event. I would hazard a guess that it started before Simon Blue came to power, as it were, but it pobably wasn't until after that that Bon Bon's amorosity went into full swing.
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| Ashton Gray wrote: | | Speaking from personal experience, Shadow? |
As mildly embarissing as it is, yes. When I first learned about Bon Bon back on Vixine, I felt very much the same way Red reacted. Bon Bon was a mind blowing wake up call to the furry art and sex I've seen before, and I refuse to go back.
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Just can't resist the siren song, Shadow? I can sympathize with that. Though for my part I quite enjoy Red's reaction to the castle. Maybe I like a touch of vulnerability in guys, but I just like showing off something mindblowingly spectacular.
Of course, for me, it's my work that is so awesome, rather than myself.
I'd also like to see what's become of the vixen maid. Personally, I'd like to see her as a working girl whose talents are beyond the possession of certain bits of plumbing. Maybe I'm imprinting myself a little on her, but she's a dark furred vixen. I have to cheer for my peer. 
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She never does. As I said of Ronald before, this is why we love our dear Vanessa Santato.
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Really? Well, congratulations, that's very nice. And methinks it's properly spelled "lynx", Miss Scorpia. (sorry, but it's in my nature to correct any spelling errors I see)
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My, my, my... From a simple maid to a VERY elagent atire. Lilly certainly made a very large step from a maid. One can see her real beauty there.
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Heh heh, I was wondering when we were going to find out what happened to Lily... looks like she may have gotten a "promotion" from just another maid at the Castle...
I'm usually pretty amazed at the level of detail in Ms Santato's work, especially when it comes to the backgrounds and the numerous colorful characters that populate BonBon. For some reason I was particularly interested in the card-game in the third panel of page 6. Even a small detail, like adding the "sweat drop" on the fox facing away from the "camera", added a nice element of liveliness to the whole composition, as you can imagine the fellow realizing he's just been dealt a poor hand.
I also enjoy seeing more unusual species being included in the whole "menagerie" of background characters, like the bull (who at first glance reminded me of the bull from the "Taurus" horoscope pinup, though with shorter horns) and the lynx. Sometimes, you get a little tired of seeing countless domestic cats, dogs, wolves, foxes, and mice populating a furry landscape (as those seem to always be the most popular fursona choices). I suppose that's also why I was glad to see our fennec Lily return to the story...
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| Miss Scorpia wrote: | Wauw. Vanessa used one of my characters in the new page. The linx girl at the roulette tabel!
I am soo proud and happy. *tears runs to my eyes* |
Congrats, Miss Scorpia. I can imagine your joy.
| Shadow9808 wrote: | | My, my, my... From a simple made to a VERY elagent atire. Lilly certainly made a very large step from a maid. One can see her real beauty there. |
Indeed. I actually think that there's still a bit of maid look about her, but in a very different way. I also wonder what her function at the castle is now. It could be her job to greet customers, or Red might just have picked have randomly picked someone to ask about Betty.
| JohnnyPsycho wrote: | | Sometimes, you get a little tired of seeing countless domestic cats, dogs, wolves, foxes, and mice populating a furry landscape (as those seem to always be the most popular fursona choices). |
While I still enjoy those kind of characters, and have vixen among my favorites, that's also why I intend to pick a species that's not seen much use in Bon Bon yet.
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Wish I knew the name of that fennec gal on the most recent page.She's very nice! ^.^ |
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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That's Lily, Foxonian. The one we've been largely discussing. Unless there is another fennec I've missed and that's the one you're speaking of.
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Someone hasn't been paying attention, Foxonian. Her name is Lily, my friend. And she seems to have moved up, though I do not know exactly to where. She certainly looks less plebeian, though. A hostess of some kind, perhaps? She doesn't have the normal cut of dress of the castle's prostitutes. Considering she's the best dressed employee in the casino area, I'm tempted to call her the pit boss. 
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone for the comments!
Lily (from the flower Lily of the valley http://www.directgardening.com/large/4473_l.jpg ) isn't a maid anymore, but rather an elegant entertainer, although I drew her dress to resemble the one of a maid, but just for fun. 
Earlier she was a minor and couldn't work as an entertainer, nor she could wear a sexy uniform like the one Sara wears.
Her hairdo is particular, but it has no particular meaning, it's just very original ^_^
Miss Scorpia, it was pure chance that my Lynx resembled one of your characters, since I haven't seen her yet and I've drawn this new imaginary croupiesse without references. 
But since your enthusiasm moved me, and the situation is fun and embarrassing (I hope you aren't disappointed ), I was wondering if you wouldn't like that anonymous lynx to bear your own lynx's name...
If so, let me know her name also, if you want, you could show me a pic of her so I can make them even more similar by next time.
For Johnny, thanks, to tell the truth when I drew Dillinger I used to vary often the species of the animals and their build, I preferred to draw pudgy characters. But since the Royal Members are mostly beautiful canids I have less and less space to fit in different animals.
In the future I'll draw more of them, because it's fun and if you too like it I'll be even more glad to do it!
I'll do an experiment in page 7 , then you can tell me your impressions! 
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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More suprises. That sounds good.
Funny thing about the species of Bon Bon, is that we aren't seeing many people picking bunnies. I always thought that they were right behind vixens and canines in popularity.
But I have so many ideas in my head, and I'm not even sure of my choice for an avatar once I've been a member for six months.
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I've always thought that was because the beaks and wings made them difficult to draw.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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I can definately see a problem with the wings. I'd hate to draw all those feathers.
I'm also thinking that it's about what people find attractive. The soft and warm species seem to be the most popular, perhaps because of their fur, or perhaps because of what people concider as attractive faces on furry characters. Beaks might be a turnoff for some. But I have indeed seen some cute lizard girls.
It's an interesting question. I posted a thread about why people had chosen the fursona they had, as I was interested in the choice of species as well. One could also make a thread about which species people prefer and why, and perhaps which qualities they tend to associate with various species.
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I happen to find avians atractive because I rather like that they tend to be potrayed with grace and a very cute alure. If I remember right, there was a rather cute (And no doubt sexy) goose girl in panal 5 of page 2 of issue 4. I know I'd like to see more of her.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, quite right, so there is. It took me a moment to spot her but you are correct, sir.
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| Shadow9808 wrote: | | I happen to find avians atractive because I rather like that they tend to be potrayed with grace and a very cute alure. If I remember right, there was a rather cute (And no doubt sexy) goose girl in panal 5 of page 2 of issue 4. I know I'd like to see more of her. |
I hadn't even noticed that avian girl until now. She's nice.
That's another thing I like about the comic. Going back to find something you missed the first time you read it. Especially the panels with many characters in them.
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