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[j3a]

ok here's the story...

a quick background: my brother in law is in the air force, his job is to work on dc generators

listen to this: a few months ago, the air force told my brother in law that he will be deployed to germany for one year. so, my sister and him sell their house and pack everything they own. no sooner had they done that, the air force cancelled those orders. they also told him that he will be getting new orders within the next few months. ok, they now have no place to live, and cannot buy another home because supposedly he will be leaving somewhere else in the world. they did start to look at base housing, but luckily, a friend of theirs offered them his house to share until my brother in law got new orders...
fast forward 2 months - well, my sister called me crying on tuesday of this week - apparantly, the army is running low on forces, so they are pulling people from other branches of the military (i.e. my brother in law). they told him he has to leave in 3 weeks for training. he would be in training to work at the checkpoints in, and walk the streets of iraq. (a job not even similar to his! ) and, not exactly the safest place to be right now
so, they start scrambling to pack again and move my sister and niece into base housing ( it would be awkward for them to stay with the male friend ) 3 weeks was not going to be much time...
well, TODAY i get a phone call from her again, bawling - what now, you are wondering? now, he has to leave on this MONDAY!!! which gives them about 2 1/2 days, and he can't even help her, because he must do all kinds of paperwork this weekend in order for him to work for the army, and to go overseas, and hostile territory, and blah blah...
i swear, it never ceases to amaze me as to what our military does to it's PROPERTY

[whispering feathers]

Hi J3a...
im so sorry 2 read what ur family is going through.
ive seen 1st hand in the military what it can do 2 a man 2 leave his family on short notice 2 depart for a six months out at sea with the NAVY.
leaving a daughter or a son having 2 b strong when u dedicate urself 4 a selfless cause that which im sure he stood 4 2 b called at any given moment n press 4ward. and it has 2 b so much harder 4 the children 2 see their family go and im not sure of the age of the children but if the ones who r not involved with the military in any way then that is the best time 2 pull 2gether lift their spirits and not focus on the case their mom n dad r gone but 2 share with who u r, n memories of funny silly things u can fill them in on their parents....make it fun dont let them know u r upset n i know thats hard...n u r a cool cat n i know some way u will come up with an idea 2 help or else u wouldnt get those phone calls as u described in ur post...and ur right, the military does not care about what it does 2 the family.... we signed that emotion away when we join.... regret with no regret... all ass backwards... but it will all b fine...


i dont know if any of this helps... i understand what u r going through man...

kevin
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With Lots of Love n Hugs!!!
Kevin (Whispering Feathers)

[Wicked Jester]

You just gave a lot of fine reasons to think the military is screwed up, J3, and I ain't even american... but as you said, they consider their soldiers an ITEM, not a living goddamn person.

"We lost 10 soldiers today? Oh well, we'll just send another 20."

And sorry to hear it's happening to your family, too. Give them my best, mate
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[nebraska]

Hey J3

I am sorry to hear about your sister and her husbands situation. That really sucks. I hope that everything works out for them. I hope that your sister and her kids get settled in a home that they feel safe and secure in. I also will have good thoughts for your brother-in-law while he is serving his orders in Iraq. Everything will be fine. Just be positive and have good thoughts.

Anyway, yes the military does many, many things to absolutly screw up your life. Alot of times they do things that make no sence at all. But, you always have to remember. You sign up. You know the minute that you sign on the dotted line and you pass your tests and on your way to boot camp, they own you and your life. Do they make alot of mistakes? Of course they do. But where would we be without the military?

I have had family members where the military has been on both ends of the map. My cousin Debbie wanted to be a doctor. She went to college and got her B.S. degree in chemistry. She didn't want to be in debt of a small fortune in student loans for medical school. She joined the Navy. Went in as an officer because of her degree. She got into their medical school program. She got all her living expenses paid and she got paid to become a surgeon. She had to give the Navy a few yrs. of service after she became certified. So, the military was a great thing for her. She became a a doctor, she didn't pay a dime. She banked a ton of money in her savings after 10 or 12 years of service. She left the sevice with over $ 120,000 in her savings because she was so busy during her time and studies she didn't have time to spend. Anyway, to get to the point. The Navy made her a doctor, gave her food and shelter. She traveled, she saved a ton of money and when she got out. She had over $120 grand in hand, no debt or bills, got her choice of about 7 or 8 jobs she applied for upon leaving the Navy. Took a great job within 2 months after being discharged. Started making a ton of money right away. So the military was one of the best ways to go and her experience was perfect.

I have a friend who enlisted in the Navy also. He was promised all kinds of things and education upon signing up. Well when he got in everything changed. They totally screwed with him. Everything was not what he was hoping or signrd up for. Her felt decieved and lied to. His experience sucked.

But, I guess what I am saying is. The military is not perfect. But nothing really is. We do not live in a perfect world. We make choices. He choose to enlist, knwing that bottom line they own his life which in turn effects your sisters life.

Like I said my friend, the situation really sucks for them. I feel bad for everything that they are going through. I really hope and prey that all goes well for them. I know what an absolutly great guy that you are. I know how close you are to your sister and her kids. I also know you will be there for them. Giving them support and love and hopefully alot of laughter and positive energy during this time. Just remember Justin, life is hard and isn't always fair. But with love and support for each other we find strengh to move forward. I know you will be there for them. And Justin my friend, they are damn lucky to have you in their lives.



Blessings

nebraska

[j3a]

thanks feathers, jester, and nebraska for you thoughts and wishes!

don't get me wrong - i appreciate everything our soldiers do for us, and i know they know what they are getting into when they sign up - luckily it is still a choice in this country to serve.
i agree with you nebraska, where would we be without the military? but unfortunately, there are mistakes made, alot, and those mistakes usually cost a lot of lives... my sister was also in the air force (where she met her husband) but she also had a horrible experience. both her and her husband have literally been lied to through their years of service. she was more than happy sign the papers when they offered her a way out when she got pregnant!
my whole point was, for all the soldiers give up for us and for the military, you would think they would get treated with a bit more compassion and concern for their lives. they really are nothing more than pawns...


look at the phone!

[Wicked Jester]

Never did like Bush, to be honest. Again, I ain't american, but our Prime Minister decided to enter this bloody and "pointless" war with our finest. Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly support the overthrowing of Saddam, but look where it landed both them and us... Nowhere good, if you ask me. They should've given a tiny bit more thought as to exactly what they were going to do after Saddam had been supplanted...
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[Elm6578]

this just goes to show how important present is...we are paying for the mistakes of past presidents (in this case Ike). The war against communism turned us into terrorist and that moved pulled on your bro-in-law is a case in point...technically I dont see how he let it happen, he wasn't contracted to the Army??? Anyway, all the people we call terrorist today were funded and armed by us to fight communism, even sadam. We made him and we broke him, but at what cost? In the big picture...not much because our great country is based on the rich white man (I'm white, but not rich), and the people who join the military are generally poor people, or people with not much of a future at the time of enlistment. A perfect example is from when I was in boot camp and my RDC was ripping on a soon-to-be nuke for joining the military after dropping out of college. If you really want to find out how "great" the USA is pick up a sociology book from your local college and start reading some facts...like waste dumping or selling FDA banned drugs to third world countries...or my favorite one, the mortality rate for babies in their first year in poor urban communities is worse than most thrid world countries. Did you know that the USA gives the least foreign aide to developing countries than any other developed country? Or how bout that our government structure is based on having a certain amount of poverty and unemployment...do you really think we have an "all volunteer army"? I am not suprised by anything our fucked up country does anymore, all I know is everyone will fuck you if you give them the chance...especially the Army!

[Ronald]

[Ronald]

Maybe I'm watching too much Battlestar Galactica.

But from watching that show- some ideas came to my mine and wondered about it.

Let's just say - Bush has one year left. But for some reason we're at war. And that can generally only mean that it wouldn't make sense to have a new President take over chain of command because our commander in chief is currently in charge. The change of presidency could be delayed? Martial law comes to mind. (or at least the closest thing I can think of that would give Bush (military) more power and less to the government.)


So get this....
"Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), was signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, and allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

[xxfobxx]

Vote for Ron Paul.

Who is Ron Paul? Here's a good introduction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I73Ac1r2Ko

[Ronald]

Okay- so xxfobxx forwarded me this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQ7Prwh7Gc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLjirbJjmQ

Apparently that news is from 2006. And I believe it has been passed already.


Here is a transcript of somethings mentioned in it.
http://www.jbs.org/node/1257

"CNN's Jack Cafferty explains:

"President Bush is trying to pardon himself. Here’s the deal: Under the War Crimes Act, violations of the Geneva Conventions are felonies, in some cases punishable by death. When the Supreme Court ruled that the Geneva Convention applied to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, President Bush and his boys were suddenly in big trouble. They’ve been working these prisoners over pretty good. In an effort to avoid possible prosecution they’re trying to cram this bill through Congress before the end of the week before Congress adjourns. The reason there’s such a rush to do this? If the Democrats get control of the House in November this kind of legislation probably wouldn’t pass."
"You wanna know the real disgrace about what these people are about to do or are in the process of doing?" Cafferty concludes. "Senator Bill Frist and Congressman Dennis Hastert and their Republican stooges apparently don’t see anything wrong with this. I really do wonder sometimes what we’re becoming in this country."
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[Kaelaron]

Eww...can I assassinate Bush if he weasels his way into STAYING in office?

Honestly, I agree with "fighting the good fight"...I agree that it's time Saddam went down for his crimes...but this should have ended a LONG time ago. Many times they had Bin Laden AND Saddam RIGHt where they wanted them in times past, and they let them go. Now we took down Saddam, leave it at that, and get out of Iraq. Too many innocent lives are being lost...it's not even a war anymore, the military's from our country, and other countries are just POLICING Iraq now....that's NOT what they are MEANT to be doing.

My friend Jim was a marine over there, he recently returned. It was not a good experience for him, it is NOT a good experience for any of them. Bush needs CATAPULTED out of office, and we need someone with a lick of intelligence to end this crap, and help us recover. No HC though...ghads, she's a knucklehead. If we get a female president, I hope it's someone intelligent, who won't insult the women of America by claiming on the witness stand, "I don't know anything, I'm just a woman!"

P.S.: Is there any way we can vote for one of the girls from Vixine to be our president? lol

[firetyrant]

Please can we stop calling this a war. It is by far falls under a coo Congress never declare war again Iraq. Also I do not like the war but, we kind of shot ourself in the foot with it us American. Even when we pull out of there it will be a mess a giant flaming mess. There 'government' that we set up is not really doing much and it sucks. What the two things this is about is showing democracy can be anywhere and the oil.

[jchavez3628]