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Xebulon
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This topic has been created to continue the speculations about Bon Bon's past and future history. The original posts have been copied here for your convenience is as close to a semblence of order as possible. 
As many of them as I know about at any rate. 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Xebulon wrote: | That does bring up an interesting question. Namely, does Bon Bon actually have a police force, or sheriffs department? I would assume so, though it seems that some laws might be rather hard to enforce. It also brings to mind curiosity about Bon Bon's legal structure. Public indecency laws would probably have to be a little more lax, given the nature of the town itself.
Although, Mr. Simon Blue did claim to have made the laws himself... curious. Very curious indeed. One can only speculate as to where Ms. (Mrs.?) Santato is headed.  |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| LabrnMystic wrote: | By what we've seen, it seems more of a community, perhaps even a militia guard BonBon, as seen when all Betty had to do was point and William and say "out" for him to get tossed out by some of the customers.
Also, taking into account these new recruits, Labrn, and Sakura, there seem to be enough body guards and strong, willing bodies to help keep the place discreet and operational.
I can at least speak for myself when I say that I go and break up fights regardless if I know who or why they are. Take it outside the city limits if they want to kill one another. |
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| Vanessa wrote: | You touched a fundamental spot in the story, I'll try to answer you without writing spoilers for the story; anyway, as of now there's no need of vigilantes in town.
Simon Blue, as someone could already have guessed, is the first mayor of Bon Bon. Bon Bon was born as a Pleasure Town just a few years ago, before that it was a farmer town. Everything started with Simon, and we'll find out how. He's the one who started managing the town, but for some reason later he retreated to his mansion, WITHOUT relinquishing the job of mayor, also because nobody ever ran for the position (either because they're afraid of facing such a powerful man, or because everything is just fine the way it is). The first law that Simon passed was the one about privacy: "in Bon Bon nobody knows who you are, and nobody asks", and the penalty for the transgression is banishment from the town for a few years. But there's also a second law, one against [word censored] and "exploiting" the prostitutes, that in BB must do it of their own will, but we'll talk about it later.
When someone breaks these or other laws, Simon sends a telegram to the capital, which sends the official state police to arrest the accused person and a regular trial takes place. This way, if found guilty, the accused's reputation is fully soiled.
Bon Bon is mainly a peaceful town, but if problems, like for example someone getting drunk or acting nastily, should arise, you'll have noticed that there's always someone ready to lend a hand to defuse the situation: Loucille, Hans and the other gentlemen, or Sakura... probably Johnny and Mr Wolf would be glad to help too  !
There's no police force, since the police would violate the privacy of the guests that must stay anonymous, therefore they manage things themselves, guided by common sense and under the supervision of princess Betty, that has the responsibility of the well being of the citizens.
Bon Bon's been around for very few years, and it's such an exclusive place that few people know of its existence, and only who is already rich can visit it. In Bon Bon one can drink, gamble, have sex and everything he wants, therefore the people is fully satisfied. |
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| Xebulon wrote: | Here's more food for thought. Now, this might be going out on a limb here, but has anyone considered the possibility that Edelweiss is Mary's mother?
What we know: Edelweiss was living in Bon Bon at the tme of Mary and Betty's first meeting.
Assumption: Edelweiss was living in Bon Bon when Mary was born.
What we know: Simon severly dislikes (possible despises) the inhabitants of Bon Bon.
Assumption: Other than offending his sensebilities, someone or something about Bon Bon gave him reason to dislike them.
Further Assumption: Simon feels guilty about something he did in the past? Possibly he once indulged in Bon Bon's stock and trade?
Even further assumption: Simon and Edelweiss were lovers... maybe.
What we know: Edelweiss is not currently living in Bon Bon. Time of her disapearence/departure unknown.
Assumption: Edelweiss is deceased. Grief, illness, foul play, all of the above, none of the above, other?
Another assumption: Edelweiss left Bon Bon. See above for possible reasons.
Further assumption: Simon caused her to leave either by action or inaction. Possibly by refusing to allow his only child to be raised in such a town and Edelweiss unable to simply quit her "job" and live with them.
This is all purely speculation. I know that some of these are a little wild, but I'm trying to explore the possibilities. What are your thoughts? |
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| MrWolf12 wrote: | Very interesting hypothesis, Xebulon. And thank you
Your assumptions defiantly have merit. One does wonder about Simon's almost fanatic 'protection' of his daughter. I too feel it goes beyond just the protective father. |
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| Fireheart wrote: | Thats certainly a possiblity now that you mention it I think, it would explain how Edelweiss knew so much about Mary's 'inprisonment' and that Simon Blue was an 'evil man'. With so much seclusion it's unlikely that many would enjoy know Mary existed, not to mention that she's locked away. It would also explain Edelwiss' obvious scorn for Mr. Blue, as often times not agreeing with how one lives their life doesn't coorelate with hate for them. All in all Mr. Blue ( as far as we have seen ) isn't evil or a criminal for that manner, it's just what has been percieved with the information so far.
Another explaination and perseption is that Mr. Blue is extremly overprotective of his daughter's safety and virginity. A sort of 'chasity belt' (sp?) in a way. We haven't seen Mr. Blue act abusive or cruel to Mary in any way shape or form, in fact Mary seems healty, well educated and cared for. Doesn't seem like 'evil' acts to me -shrugs-
Some futher speculation is the "Fist Law of Bon Bon' that was introduced in Issue #3, perhaps Edelweiss broke that law trying to free Mary or protect Betty? It would explain her disapeerance as she obsviously cared for Betty a great deal, if Betty knew Edelweiss had been 'shamed', she may lose her respect for Edelweiss I suppose. Again just more speculation, but does give food for thought eh? |
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| Nightwolf wrote: | In response to the discussion around here lately, I was actually pondering something on my way to REM sleep last night.
We don't know anything about Mary's mother (i.e. Simon's wife?) and Edelweiss seemed to have a fondness for Mary when she described the situation to Betty during that flashback to 1885 in Issue 2.
Again, this is purely speculation, but has anyone ever wondered whether Edelweiss could indeed be Mary's biological mother? I believe Edelweiss is a cat, right? That's neither here nor there, but why else would she have felt so close to Mary unless she had some kind of interaction with her? Makes me wonder if perhaps she and Simon had some kind of fling, and when Blue discovered Edelweiss's profession after theoretically giving birth to Mary, the two split up, and a few years later when both Betty and Mary were still young children, Edelweiss mysteriously disappeared. Simon perhaps refused to expose his newborn daughter to any of what he considered to be the debauchery of BonBon and so he shielded her from the outside world.
As I said, that is all pure speculation and probably farfetched though it is something I've given thought to. There are things that don't necessarily fit with that explanation and I'm sure some of you will be able to point them out, but I'm frankly too tired and lazy to think of them myself right now.  |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Ashton Gray wrote: | | I do not believe Edelweiss is Mary's mother nor do I believe she is dead because A: Mary's mother is known to be dead and B: Edelweiss "mysteriously disappeared" and I imagine she did so while she was alive. I do believe Simon at one time in his life in Bon Bon, most likely in his youth, before he met his wife, did indulge and possibly had a hand in establishing Bon Bon's "stock and trade" and may have in met his wife in doing so. I further believe it may have been the manner of his wife's death that drove him from the town and secluded him and his daughter in his home. It may even be possible that Simon in some way blames Edelweiss for his wife's death and she is angered at him for his blame towards her, hence their ill feelings towards eachother. My final belief is that Edelweiss may have left Bon Bon to seek out other children in need of "rescue and refuge". |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Xebulon wrote: | This also brings up something I've been wondering about. Given the rather promiscuous nature of Bon Bon, and assuming that the town has been in existence at least since Mary was what, 6 years old, shouldn't there be a significant population of children? Even taking into account the unlikelihood (or impossibility) of inter-species conception, one would think that there would still be enough same-species copulation going around.
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| JohnnyPsycho wrote: | | I tend to think that there may be a neighboring town or village or something that is probably like a much more conservative "suburb" of BonBon, one where it's possible for denizens to raise a family a safe distance away from the sexual antics of the city. Of course, with the flashback seen earlier in the story, apparently some of the girls who work and live in BonBon have been there since they were kids themselves... and in fact can seem fairly oblivious to the antics of the grown-ups around them. |
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| kommy wrote: | A capable physician and druggist can make a fortune in Bon Bon without needing to cure illnesses. 
I note you are quite the renaissance bear. An interesting past. I always appreciate a man who knows the value of learning and a sense of humor, no matter how painful it may be. On a technical note, I've always found Freud's theories... crude and somewhat absurd. I always thought the man slightly mad.  |
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| Xebulon wrote: | | JohnnyPsycho wrote: | | I tend to think that there may be a neighboring town or village or something that is probably like a much more conservative "suburb" of BonBon |
An excellent point. Possibly a source of Bon Bon's "blue collar" labor? Although admittedly there is no reason why they couldn't be living in Bon Bon itself. I would imagine that there are other locations in Bon Bon, similar in function to the Delight Castle, which cater to those with less income (DC seems to be a rather high-end establishment).
| kommy wrote: | | A capable physician and druggist can make a fortune in Bon Bon without needing to cure illnesses. |
If Mr. JohnnyPsycho's theory of an adjacent village is correct, then so, perhaps, could an education professional?
| kommy wrote: | | On a technical note, I've always found Freud's theories... crude and somewhat absurd. I always thought the man slightly mad. |
Personally I agree. Please note that I said "fascinated with", not "agreed with" in reference to Freud. |
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| Xebulon wrote: | Another thought just struck me. Thus far, Bon Bon's "entertainment" industry seems largely to cater to men. I, and my perverse mind, cannot help but wonder, is there an equal and opposite establishment from Betty's Delight Castle? If so, then is it run by a bitter (and/or flamboyant) rival?  |
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| JohnnyPsycho wrote: | | Heck, I've always wondered if there were other competing brothels/casinos in BonBon, run by perhaps some unscrupulous characters who constantly scheme of ways to out-do Princess Betty and her Delight Castle. A feud between brothel "madams" would be interesting... |
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| Ashton Gray wrote: | | I certainly would'nt be surprised if there was a flipside to the Delight Castle that catered more to women rather than to men, on the contrary, I would be surprised if there was'nt something of the sort in the world somewhere. I don't believe it's "perverse", as you put it, Xebulon, to wonder about such a thing, I'd call it having an open mind and seeing both sides of the argument, so to speak. |
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| LabrnMystic wrote: | | Ashton Gray wrote: | | I certainly would'nt be surprised if there was a flipside to the Delight Castle that catered more to women rather than to men, on the contrary, I would be surprised if there was'nt something of the sort in the world somewhere. I don't believe it's "perverse", as you put it, Xebulon, to wonder about such a thing, I'd call it having an open mind and seeing both sides of the argument, so to speak. |
Thats what Mystic said in my history. Perhaps in the future, more of BonBon will be revealed. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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<Glancing up.....whistling>....Wow, Xebulon! You've been busy!
Definatly intersted to see where this thread goes. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, but most of these aren't mine. I simply reposted them here to make them easier to find and keep them consolidated into one topic rather than being pread out.
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Something that occured to me earlier from a previous discussion. It's so far considered that the books written by Daphne were smuggled in through the catering system. I was thinking, wouldn't the laundry be an easier system to do that?
The laundry is provided through Bon Bon Castle twice a day as stated by Betty in issue #3 pages 3 and 4.
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Betty: "Listen, the gate of the Manor is open only twice a day: in the Morning from 10 to 11am for the interviews...and up to noon for the collection of the laundry and luntime catering service coming from the Delight Castle. In the Evening it stays open from 6 to 7pm for the delivery of the laundry and the dinnertime catering service."
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I would think it would be simpler to hide a book or two ( or maybe even a letter ) within a stack of linen than inside a secret comparment located within the catering service. If this is true obviously Betty has intrusted these things to a select few people, the question is, who? |
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While the laundry delivery may be easier to hide things, such as these books, in, it also much easier to search through than the food deliveries, laundry can be re-folded but if you're to rough when searching through the food, you will end up ruining the meal.
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Something occured to me that as soon as I thought about it, was a glaring oversight. We can all agree that these books are being snuck in to Mary ( more than likely that is ) but the underlying question is WHY are they being smuggled in?
Honestly if Mary wishes to be out from under daddys thumb and be free from the house, it's to get married. Feeding Mary with exotic images and making her want to feel the love of a man I think would only jeopardize that. Mr. Blue did state that he " ..promised to give her away pure..", if she loses her virginity prematurely whos to say that Mr. Blue won't 'imprison' Mary indefinatly?
Of course these are a bit extreme, but the glaring question is, why are these books being sent? Are they on Betty's own doing? Did Mary ask for the books? Maybe Daphne herself is sending Mary the books, perhaps someone we don't even KNOW yet is sending them. However again the largest question is why, what is the true goal for giving Mary this information? |
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I have always thought it was Betty who sent her at least the first book as a sort of form of male compensation, possibly when she reached puberty and her hormones began to strengthen. Betty is three years older than Mary so I think Betty's hormones must have started to peak before Mary and, knowing what Mary might be going through, sent her the book maybe as a sort of apology for not being able to help her in a more friendly personal way. Besides, I don't think we have to worry about Mary losing her virginity before her marriage, just take a look at page 35 of issue #1 if you need further convincing. Intresting side note, I wonder what it was Mary "KLACK!"ed close behind her, I think it was a picture of either her mother, a family portrait of her, her father and mother, a picture of Betty, or a picture of her and Betty. A long list of assumptions, especially for something so off topic, I know, but there it is.
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Boy when I first looked at this thread, I wasn't even sure if I was suppose to post, or if this was just a reference thread. 
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*SMOOCH* someone who is thinking of those of us with spastic minds who can't keep up with so many threads. Thank you!!!! Very interesting to see the interwoven hints and great possibilities for other story lines.
Tend to agree on catering vs laundry... its easier to hide a book among the unfoldables, like plates and such (unless they're hiding them in her corsets... then there ya go even makes sure they get delivered to the right person.)
Though on a side note, I really don't see Mr Blue or Mary attending to actually sheeting the bed themselves... and laundry collection/delivery might involve someone going in and taking the old sheets and replacing them while everyone is eating... perfect time to slip out an old book and slip in a new if you could conceal it.
As to why the books, my thought is that this is the Victorian era... outside of BonBon, the term stuffed shirt doesn't even begin to describe men who would get nosebleeds from becoming over excited by an exposed ankle... they brought a whole new meaning to the word 'repressed'.... My guess is Betty is giving Mary a chance to actually taste freedom and the world outside as well as gaining the idea that marriage doesn't have to be something of convince or arrangement, but something of love and romance. Again, Victorian era, Dad says, marry John, daughter says, yes father. And that's the end of it... Betty's simply ensuring that her friend wants the love too that she doesn't settle for or get bullied into anything less.... least that's my take on it.
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Speaking of stuffed shirts, I'm surprised Simon has never considered importing a eunuch from China or the Middle East for his daughter's chaperone. He seems that extreme enough.
Or why not just a conventional governess imported from the UK or something? With his extreme paranoia and the lengths he is apparently willing to go to, I'm kinda shocked he's even considering hiring any sort of man with functioning... equipment.
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Now there's a girl thinking with her head yup or a good German governess, no nonsense.
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Firstly, Mary getting the books. It could be as simple as her bribing one of the catering staff to smuggle them in. She is the daughter of a very wealthy man after all and quite likely has a little "pocket money" tucked away. While not the most exciting or intriguing explanation, it is the simplest. To summarize the principle of Occam's Razor, "The simplest solution tends to be the best one." *insert shrugging noise here*
Secondly, Simon hiring a governess/importing a eunuch. I imagine it would cost quite a lot of money to import a eunuch from the Middle or Far East. Now, granted, Simon Blue has a lot of money but would he know whom to contact to make such arrangements? And would it call too much attention to himself or his daughter? It's also possible that he has tried hiring a governess before. Maybe Mary drove her away? Maybe she had a fling in town and Simon fired her? Maybe she moved into the town. Maybe Simon has, through past experience, reached the conclusion that only someone with no possible sexual interest in his daughter (i.e. a homosexual male) would be fit to attend her.
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I imagine that Mary would behave like a little brat at a governess (the way she stuck her tongue out at her own father)
Eunichs, hmm...I'm not too familiar all with them (except the fact they're lacking a certain something) but if he were to be imported, I'm guessing he wouldn't know the local language, plus how good of butler could one be? Wern't they used as more kind of a body guard/simple servant kinda deal? On the postivie, Mary could get fanned all day when soaking up some sun.
And then theres always the need of a good plot that makes us see why it just had to be William.
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The one secret that has me one curious little otter isn't over the book so much as it is what happened to Edelweiss... and to Mary's mother?....Where is that detective fellow, I smell a story here.... Inquiring minds want to know!
Oooo that's what we need, a tabloid for BonBon Though I suppose Batgirl spotted with full color photos would be more of a centerfold than a headline eh?
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