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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Alley's boobs Reply with quote

After much downloads of many famous female celebrity pictures and observing the size and structure of their brests. I have come to the conclusion that Alley Baggett has the best boobs. Even though this has been disputed because I learnt that has implants, I still stand by the fact that Alley has the best boobs.... with implants. The only other woman that can compete with Alley would be Lucy Pinder who, for God knows what reason, doesn't show her nipples in her photos. (Highly dissappointing)

In confirming this fact. I experimented by
1. Looing at pictures of Alley's boobs since 2001 - 2006 and being able to get sexually aroused.

2. Looking at her nude pictures under different conditions (rain or shine), at different times of day etc. ( I live in the tropics)

3. In doing so, I have able to be aroused at every precise time.

Though other naked women do tickle my fancy, Alley's boobs tickle my fancy in a very unique and particular way.

Hence I can conclude that Alley Baggett has the best boobs...with implants.

In doing this research I would like to be rewarded by requesting that Alley have a photo shoot where she is licky her beautiful breasts.
I imagine that this will be her best photo shoot that she will place on her 'skin' section on her website.

Thank you for your time.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at some pics of Lucy Pinder....had never heard of her before. Let me just set the record straight: THERE IS NO COMPARISON! Alley is by far a more fit, more flattering, more sexy, more beautiful, and more seductive woman. Lucy boobs are droopy and she tends to lack any decent amount of definition. Alley on the other hand.....well, she's the Alley we know and love.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: My reply Reply with quote

Well said my friend...well said. You are right, Lucy Pinder does have droppy boobs. And Alley has much better boobs and a body. I will look at no other woman but alley from now on. So help me God If I grace the boobs of another nude supermodel may God strike me down.

laters.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alley's got the best boobs in town!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Alley's boobs Reply with quote

Ayosubzero wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that Alley Baggett has the best boobs. Even though this has been disputed because I learnt that has implants, I still stand by the fact that Alley has the best boobs.... with implants.

Hence I can conclude that Alley Baggett has the best boobs...with implants.



Ummm, isn't there an error here ? Rolling Eyes

.....with implants....... Question

Is there something I have been missing ?
I've always been in the good faith that Alley has natural boobs, im almost shore she has said so in this forum.
There has been an awful long time since i checked this forum the last time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless...thanks for the compliments!

I'm not sure if you know this or not but I've been thinking about getting my breast reduced......to just a little bit smaller. I think for my body....they are pretty big....and it would be nice to be able to look a little bit more normal not so pornish in my clothes. They also tend to give me back problems from time to time.

Anyway....I've done my research and I've found a GREAT doctor! I don't think you will be dissapointed. At least ...I hope not.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Alley,...

What size are you thinking about going? I should hope nothing lower than a C-Cup. If you need someone to go with you for moral support let me know LOL.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Alley, we love your boobs Sad At least I know I do....
Seriously speaking, though, if they are giving you back probs, I can understand your decision, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be just a teensie-weensie bit disappointed if your boobs got smaller... But then, maybe that's just me... Or...?
Love you, Alley
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad you found a good surgeon...hopefully the scarring will be kept at a minimum...man I'm so pessimistic...Confused

Once you have the surgery are you going to hang it up so to speak in regards to your site?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlleyBaggett wrote:
Regardless...thanks for the compliments!

I'm not sure if you know this or not but I've been thinking about getting my breast reduced......to just a little bit smaller. I think for my body....they are pretty big....and it would be nice to be able to look a little bit more normal not so pornish in my clothes. They also tend to give me back problems from time to time.

Anyway....I've done my research and I've found a GREAT doctor! I don't think you will be dissapointed. At least ...I hope not.

LOTS OF LOVE


Oh Alley, I hope you don't become TOO normal and lose your "pornish" look!!! LOL

Seriously, I hope that everything goes well for you and that you'll still look absolutely beautiful no matter what size you end up. At least the AB Nation will still have the mammories...errr...memories! Wink If money becomes an issue with the doctor, I can do the operation myself but I do it the old-fashion way...by mouth!!! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alley, please don't change... I love you just the way you are.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlleyBaggett wrote:
Regardless...thanks for the compliments!

I'm not sure if you know this or not but I've been thinking about getting my breast reduced......to just a little bit smaller. I think for my body....they are pretty big....and it would be nice to be able to look a little bit more normal not so pornish in my clothes. They also tend to give me back problems from time to time.

Anyway....I've done my research and I've found a GREAT doctor! I don't think you will be dissapointed. At least ...I hope not.

LOTS OF LOVE


Do what you think whats best for your health Alley. As long you feel good about it, go for it! I will stay! Waiting for your new look Very Happy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlleyBaggett wrote:
Regardless...thanks for the compliments!

I'm not sure if you know this or not but I've been thinking about getting my breast reduced......to just a little bit smaller. I think for my body....they are pretty big....and it would be nice to be able to look a little bit more normal not so pornish in my clothes. They also tend to give me back problems from time to time.

Anyway....I've done my research and I've found a GREAT doctor! I don't think you will be dissapointed. At least ...I hope not.

LOTS OF LOVE

i love you too alley ...your breats and nips are the best in playboy
i seend me kisss
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say it isn't so Alley! Crying or Very sad Why mess with such perfection?
Although we love all of you from head to toe, your breasts are the grand design in your wonderful package! Your beauty is a gift, don't destroy it, embrace it! Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uno, i love Alleys great beautiful face...................there.......thats something nice to talk about. Laughing Cool
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey!

Yes I agree that Alley Baggett used to have the most perfected breasts around but after she reduced them, they didn`t seem like anything spectucalar anymore Crying or Very sad . Why mess with perfection? I know you probably have your reasons Alley and of course I respect that.
I think the breast you have now matches the rest of your body well, it looks natural, maybe they were a little "out of place" Smile before but they were perfect no one could match them Wink But to take another operation to reduce them furthermore would be a shame but again it`s only up to you to decide Alley Wink
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Your Boobs Reply with quote

AlleyBaggett wrote:
Regardless...thanks for the compliments!

I'm not sure if you know this or not but I've been thinking about getting my breast reduced......to just a little bit smaller. I think for my body....they are pretty big....and it would be nice to be able to look a little bit more normal not so pornish in my clothes. They also tend to give me back problems from time to time.

Anyway....I've done my research and I've found a GREAT doctor! I don't think you will be dissapointed. At least ...I hope not.

LOTS OF LOVE


Well I can understand the back problems. But may I suggest doing some more back exercises to strengthen your back muscles. That could work instead of going under the knife.

And who says you look like pornish or whatever. The last thing I think about is porn when I look at you. I mean Porn stars have a certain porn look to them. The huge hair and make up. As for you, because I've never seen you in a porn movie, you don't have that porn star appeal.

You always managed to keep yourself wonderful and respectable and not to be viewed in the Porno category. But I love your boobs!!!! I still want my Autographed pictures sent to me. I've been a member on your site for some years now I think I deserve a lil pictures to show off with.

But Please reconsider.

And I heard the weirdest rumor the other day..well on a site that has a profile on you. They said that you are a smoker. Say it ain't so Alley!!! Say it ain't so!!!!

I fantasized about kissing you and in my dreams the kisses were so soft and sweet. I don't wanaa go back to my fantasy knowing that your soft kisses may taste like an ash tray. Say it ain't so Alley!!!! Say it ain't so.

I love you, your boobs, and your kisses in my fantasies.
Have a blessed day.

Bye.

P.S. I hope you don't feel objectified about me or any other person in the forum talking about your boobs like this. Bye. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alley please dont change those gorgeous boobs you have. They are so lovely.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubeN wrote:
Alley please dont change those gorgeous boobs you have. They are so lovely.


If those boobs gives her backproblems, i think she should think of her own health. She need her back rest of her life. But we still got her ASS, and the most gorgeous face and smile in the world Smile. I have been a AB fan since '97 (at a age of 17...) and the first thing that hit me was: "GOD DAM, if there is an angle out there, she must be the beauty of it".

Alley, SMILE for us, and live happy... thats whats counts!

EDIT: And she still got boobs after a reduction Very Happy. Giggity.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparrow wrote:
EDIT: And she still got boobs after a reduction Very Happy. Giggity.


Who else but QUAGMIRE!!! Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Solitude wrote:
Hey!

Yes I agree that Alley Baggett used to have the most perfected breasts around but after she reduced them, they didn`t seem like anything spectucalar anymore Crying or Very sad . Why mess with perfection? I know you probably have your reasons Alley and of course I respect that.
I think the breast you have now matches the rest of your body well, it looks natural, maybe they were a little "out of place" Smile before but they were perfect no one could match them Wink But to take another operation to reduce them furthermore would be a shame but again it`s only up to you to decide Alley Wink


I've never reduced them but I am thinking of doing it for the first time. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MUCH THANKS for everyone supporting me on this decision! I'm pretty sure I'm going to go ahead and do it. I think it'll be a nice change....and it will only "enhance" the appearance and help my back as well. You know me....I love change. Someone asked....will I stop modeling shortly after doing it? The answer is....no. I will probably model for another 5 years or so. I definitely have to get something else going....first. That will take some time to do.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to answer another question.....

I think the size I will be........will be a large B cup. That's still a good size considering how small of a person I am.....right??

Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The end of the soft pillowy era ismon the horizon.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Alley
I agree with you, I hope you have taken the right desition, I think yo will see more natural with smaller breast.

One question. Do you have pictures before you had implants? So we can imagine how it will be the "new" Alley.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:16 am    Post subject: Sorry Alley Reply with quote

Still don't feel comfortable with your decision. Hope you change your mind instead of those beautiful tits. sigh!!!
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlleyBaggett wrote:
I forgot to answer another question.....

I think the size I will be........will be a large B cup. That's still a good size considering how small of a person I am.....right??

Very Happy


Alley, a large B?, What is your current size? I'm guessing 34DD?

I'm thinking of getting my penis reduced!.......................only kidding Laughing

Nice things come in small packages, but sometimes bigger is better

P.S. - I have never looked at you & have seen a "pornish quality" as stated in earlier posts. I bet if you polled everyone here, 99 out of 100 like you just the way you are!
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alley,

Those tits are so lovely the way they are right now... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alley don't touch ypur boobs, you are so lovely Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Breast reduction not (necessarily) the best choice Reply with quote

I normally do not post on adult forums, but when I saw Alley’s post about having breast reduction surgery in this thread today, I had to chime in.

Seek an alternative!

Sorry for the length, but I had to make these points.

Now I have seen where many have posted here about Alley’s “great tits”, but my reasons for suggesting that Alley seek a viable alternative comes from my personal disdain for this culture of solving problems through surgery that we have fallen into. I can understand Alley’s reasons for seeking breast reduction surgery and I am sure that she has not taken this decision lightly, but any doctor that she consults is more likely looking to line their pockets than serve Ms. Baggett’s best interests.

On Alley having implants

Based on what I have seen image wise and in video clips, I doubt that Alley has implants. There are certain things that fake breasts do not do and like any natural breasts, Alley’s sag. Now before you start rattling off your flame response to that last statement, I am not talking about your 80 year-old grandmother’s nipples at the waistline sagging, but the normal hang that a woman’s breasts should have. All real breasts sag as they consist of matter, have mass and are subject to the force of gravity.

Fake breasts defy gravity, real breast do not, regardless of their size. I have seen enough photos and video of Alley to notice that her breasts have a natural sag and they fall to the side or retreat a bit into her chest when she lays on her back; breast implants preclude that kid of natural movement. When a woman with implants lays on her back her breasts tend to retain most of its shape and position because it is a foreign object inserted behind her skin. Breasts are strictly soft tissue and fat, therefore should change shape in accordance to the position of the body when unsupported (read: not defy gravity), whereas implants, while malleable, are not organic and do not reposition naturally, if at all.

Secondly, notice that Alley’s areolas are large and well proportioned to the fullest part of her breasts. Many women with implants even if they only go up a cup size, will have areolas that appear too small for their breasts. Now, some women do have naturally small areola and nipples relative to their overall breast size—Halle Berry is a good example of the large natural breast/small areola case—but combine areolas that look too small with the telltale traits I described previously and you should have a pretty clear indicator as to whether or not a woman’s breasts are real.

Alley’s breasts react naturally to her movements and her areola would look ridiculously large if her natural breast size were smaller than what we see today. If I thought for a second that Alley had fake breasts I would have never joined her site. I find fake breasts as offensive as any other knock-off item. I prefer small and real to big and synthetic; if I wanted a synthetic woman then I would buy blow-up dolls and be content with them.

On breast reduction

Alley stated that, “it would be nice to be able to look a little bit more normal not so pornish in my clothes.” That statement is a sad reflection on where this society is going and who controls how we think about anything that is even remotely sexual. There have always been petite women with large breasts and if Alley can think that she looks abnormal or like a porn star in her clothes when she is a nude model, then something is not right. Breast size is independent of body size and it is just as normal for a small woman to have large breasts as it is for a large woman to have small breasts. A woman’s final breast size is a toss up between genetics and a dice roll.

Being buxom says absolutely nothing about a woman’s sexual character. Even having her site says nothing about Alley as a person beyond the fact that she is not ashamed of her body and that she is a free spirit. None of that equates to her being some salacious whore despite the fact that too many people would think just that for much less. As to looking like a porn star, to the best of my knowledge Alley does not do porn. Her work is erotic, not sexual, and I am unaware, as others here have mentioned, of any Alley Baggett sex tapes. Even her “Fantasies” footage on ABTV with other females is tame. I have not watched all of them, but from what I have seen they are more suggestively titillating than raunchy in nature. If the term ‘class’ can be attached to an adult site, then Alley’s work is classy.

There is absolutely no reason for you to feel trashy Alley. I do not personally know you, but nothing I have seen would indicate that you are that kind of person.

Now while I can understand Alley seeking medical counsel because she is having back problems, there are matters where doctors will not offer the best answer, or at the very least, the best answer at the stage of the game where Alley seems to be. I will clarify my point with a story about a friend of mine from my days as an undergrad in college; we will call her Fox.

Fox was very petite, perhaps more so than Alley. She stood about 5’2” or 5’3”, was very slender despite being shapely and wore a 36C bra. Alley reportedly wears a 34C translating into these two women having similarly sized breasts, but differing chest measurements. Well, as I stated, Fox wears a 36C, but her actual size is more like a 32… hold your breath… G. I kid you not, she was very buxom despite her slender build. And somehow, back then, her size did not keep her from being A-cup perky—I know for a fact that she did not have implants, it was less likely in the late 1980s anyway, but her breasts did sag less than you would expect something that large to do. I attribute her perkiness to youth and being in very good shape. In the end, Fox’s breasts were much larger than Alley’s.

Anyway, by our sophomore year, Fox was complaining about her back and was contemplating breast reduction surgery. She could not afford the procedure on her own and her parents, who could very easily provide her the funds, were none too supportive of her having what amounted to cosmetic surgery. As such, some friends of ours that were athletic training majors gave Fox an alternative: exercise.

Like many in their late teens, Fox was fit, but not athletic and being of an ectomorphic (naturally slender) build she did not have to put any effort into staying thin. Our friends started Fox on a weight-training regimen that worked her upper body. In particular the exercised strengthened the muscles in her chest, abdominals, obliques and lower back to support her bosom. She was also given an aerobics regimen to naturally burn off some of the fat in her breasts; breasts are after all mostly fat.

Needless to say, a year later Fox was glad that she did not go under the knife, as she was very proud of her large twins. The exercises that she was by then in the habit of regularly performing has strengthened the muscles in her torso enough that her breasts no longer felt as if they were pulling her down and she did it without turning herself into a female Schwarzenegger—by the way, a woman’s body does not naturally bulk up like a man’s without hormone injections no matter how much weight training she does. The aerobic exercises burned some fat off of her naturally taking about and inch or two off of her breasts, which was pretty much the only place she had fat. Her overall appearance seemed unaltered, beyond the gain of some muscle tone, and she did not have to face the risks of surgery—any surgery has risks.

Fox once commented just before graduation that for the first time since she had fully developed that she was unaware of the presence of her breasts because of their weight even when she was thinking about them. She was elated that she was able to spare her back without losing her favorite feature.

Modeling aside, I would strongly recommend that Alley, or any woman, look toward a proper exercise regimen before subjecting themselves to surgery. If strengthening the muscles in your upper body does not work Alley, then by all means do what you need to do to protect your back, but never help a doctor get rich when there are less intrusive means by which you can solve your problem.


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