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[mt]

What the f***ck is going on! I just paid $30.00 for 11 gallons of fuel, and that's the cheap 87% octane.
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[dickmoyer]

You be in the real world my friend. Go to Europe and pay $ 5.00 a gallon or buy a hybrid. We are once again being manupulated by the big oil companies.

[rubeN]

Yup prices are so high and ridiculous. I just put gas and it was around 2.55 for 91 octane.

[craigfox]

I say we start a riot.
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[someoneoutthere]

I've heard recently that the USA consumes 11% of global oil production. No wonder they won't want to participate in the Kyoto treaty...

But, I also saw on tv that the oil price will never go down anymore. Oil reserves are drying up, and those 1.1 billion Chinees are going through their economic revolution now (what the western world did 100+ years ago), so they burn oil like crazy. They said that the price of a barrel could go up high as 100USD...

Time will come that we all are going to ride horses again...
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[Down South]

It's a good thing that as gasoline gets more expensive (and everything else along with it) that our salaries are also bumped to exceed these increases...

$2.17 a gallon here baby...87 octane...

Just wait until the supposed summer "travel" season...
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[troyholc]

1. Down South: exactly where do you live that you get raises that counter act price inccreases? It isn''t happening around me.

2. dick moyer: Gas in Europe isn't that price because of oil companies like here. It's that price because of taxes. They then use said taxes to have superior roads and public transportation, as well as, force exercise by riding a bike or walking that also helps with healthcare isssues. At least there, the money goes for the good of society instead of lining the oil companies pockets.

3. to everyone: if you don't start using your legs or public transportation more, nothing is going to change and prices will just get worse. yeah busses may not be the best form of transportation, but it won't get better until more people use it and force it to get better.

troyholc
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[craigfox]

I still say we riot!
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[dally]

Fuel is about $5 a gallon down here and going up. We're taxed to the eyeballs.

[craigfox]

The sad thing is, while they take our hard earned money for fuel there are alternative forms of energy that we could be using that are much cleaner and less expensive. They might as well bend us over at the pump...and I'm sure they'd charge a tax on lube.
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[mt]

[someoneoutthere]

There is a cleaner and more efficient fuel. Hydrogene (I hope I got the correct word). But, companies like Shell are just waiting for the oil wells to dry up, and then switch to hydrogene fuel. They are now just looking into the possibilities of it. Oil is a multi multi multi billion dollar industry. Still, money makes this world go round.
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[dally]

The over-riding ,sick irony of the whole concept of burning fossil fuels is that if our earth(mother nature) hadn't buried most the spent organic material,keeping it out of the cycle of life, we would never have had the climate or the environment that spawned our very existence. So how do we humans show our appreciation? , we dig up it , burn it ,and pump it into the air. Humans are only animals that think they're smart.

[craigfox]

Yes, hydrogen is being developed and I'm sure we'll see it used in our lifetimes. The newest I've heard of is anti-mater technology. A group of elite scientists have succeded in creating anti-mater. Once they are able to harness its power the world will never have to worry about power for anything again. Hopefully the tecnology does not find its way into the wrong hands because it is also a massively destructive force. What I'm getting at also is we have the sun, the wind, and plenty of flowing water to provide power for residence and industry. Hell, imagine if we could harness the power of lightning. What happend to all the talk of super conductors? The internal combustion engine has been out of date since the late 50's, but oil makes the world go round (oil is money) so we continue to use that technology, while our goverments through the media continue to influence us into thinking that is the way to do things, and create big scares like energy crisis's so a bunch of already way to rich fuckers line there pockets even more. Even though they continue to make it more fuel efficient and cleaner burning the fact is we could have done away with it years ago, or converted over to natural gas, and kept gasoline for recreational purposes and agriculture where that kind of raw power is really needed. Someone somewhere needs to wake up before our beautiful planet ends up freeze dried like Mars.
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[troyholc]

!. to someoneoutthere: First, no "e" - just hydrogen. Second, you're partly right. Had oil companies and the government looked into hydrogen fuel in the 70's when the big gas crisis happened, we may actually have hydrogen right now. Hydrogen is not completely viable yet, because of its stability. If you are wondering what I mean look up Hindenberg on the net. It ran on hydrogen fuel. Hydrogen explodes with the smallest amount of energy addition in the presence of oxygen. The other difficulty is acquiring it, Although it is the most abundant element in the universe, most of it is trapped in molecules other than pure hydrogen (examples, CH4 [Natural Gas], H2O [Water], all organic molecules [those that make up life], etc.) Although we can get the hydrogen from these places, it requires energy to do so, and this energy is obtained from fossil fuels. It still is worth it because the amount of usage would dramatically decrease. What needs to be done is what is being proposed in my state. People who put solar panels on their homes, if any energy acquired exceeds that used in a month the energy company acquires it and pays you for it. Again, I completely think hydrogen fuel is worth it (and for air/space travel - advances in antimatter/matter drives <- not-science fiction BTW)

2. to dally: you said ,"Humans are only animals that think they're smart." Unless you're not human, you shouldn't put yourself down like that. In some cases I agree with your statement, I just don't care for generalizations about all humans or groups.
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[Down South]

Uh...the salary thing...sarcasm...I thought the wink emoticon would've made it clear...that and the fact that salaries aren't increased enough...
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[dally]

Troyholc,
I feel that my summation of human behavior(which includes me man, Im very much human ) was accurate in relation to my point. People have known for years that burning fuel and pumping shit into the air is bad for the environment ,long before they even knew why. Oil and coal consumption is still increasing, someoneoutthere pointed out the Chinese economic boom , you can add India and most of south east asia to that aswell. The western world is accelerating to stay in front. All this activity is still primarily energised ,to this day,after all these years, by the burning of fossil fuels. Now Ive seen enough evidence from independent and unrelated sources that this practise is fucking our environment. Until we can camp on the moon or anywhere else, it's all weve got. Being a consumer and contributer to this debacle doesnt make me feel very smart. My summation isn't designed to put myself or anyone else down, or to imply that we're stupid, just maybe sharpen us up a bit.
Getting back to the price at the pump.The price is governed primarily by supply and demand, and government taxes. As a consumer in a democratic world we all as a group of individuals can have an influence on the price.
Supply and demand- Supply is finite, one day its gunna run out. We all could seek and encourage alternative ,more sustainable(include environmentally sustainsable) sources of energy. We can assess our own usage and seek personal efficiency(you'll save money straight away).Reduce demand and the price will go down.If oil producers reduce supply, well then we save on the environmental cost. I think most people these days concede that the environment is not bullet proof and its health has a significant value.
Government tax- In a democratic world, we have elected representatives. Scrutinise and question how much is collected and how it's spent.Show an interest, WE have to vote them in.

Environmental tip- If anyone want help stop our environment from heating up, go out and plant some trees. Trees(woody plants) pull carbon from the air and store it in their wood. It can't hurt .

Live on.

[troyholc]

dally,

Thanks for clearing up your point for me. I assumed you were just making a point, but like i said I don't like generalizations. (ex: media portray all gays/lesbians as liberals, but a gay friend of mine is very much republican and he hates the way gays are portrayed as a unified-single group.) I agree with what your saying exept for two points. First, it could just be a misunderstanding or error, but democracy has nothing to do with an economic system, except for the fact that people elect the officials who make the policy that determines our economic system. Second, your claim of seeing "enough evidence from independent and unrelated sources" I have an issue with to some extent. I believe you have read much evidence from unrelated sources, but the word independent is where I have the problem. As a scientist (physics) myself, I do not find that science ever is independent, Let me give an example to try to explain.

Scientist argue over the exsistence of extra-terestrial intelligence (now I'm not getting into abduction/visitation issues - just exsistence). The trouble is from a purely scientific viewpoint, no one would argue that with billions of stars in our galaxy and billions of galaxies, to say that we are the only life with intelligence in the universe is obsurd scientifically. Its like saying if you add the tiniest amount of weight to the heads side of a coin, that although this will create an advantage to one side over the other (depending upon how it is tossed) that if it lands on tails once it will never again land on tails. The probability makes this obsurd. However, great scientist, Stephan Hawking for one, can't believe that there is intelligent life out there, even though logically it would make sense that there would be. They come to science with the notion that we are the ultimate in intelligence in the universe and there could never be a society that knows more thatn us. So my argument is that scientist will come to their experiments with preconceived notions that can tend towards a certain result. Although I wouldn't dismiss any experiment, I would always take it witha grain of salt just to be safe.

So that there is no misunderstanding, I do believe Global warming is due to some effect by humans. However, from my research, I have found there is a natural process that causes this, we have just excellerated it and if we are not careful we will become like Venus.

The best thing to do is promote the advancement of space travel and colonization. This will lower fuel consumption and the earth is only big enough for a certain number of people. We need to do something.

Well enough of my ramblings. Hope I haven't offended you, dally (or anyone for that matter). If I have I apologize.

troyholc
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[devious]

heck, in Detroit, I recently heard people flocking in with cars in the roads waiting to pay a measily $1.90/gal and the average is $2.20 i think. Illusion is, your not saving a whole lot. if the prices were at $1.50 I would consider the wait.
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