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craigfox Rank: Veteran

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: Video Format |
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Alley or Rick,
Is there any chance we could see the videos in windows movie format? I would rather not put quicktime on my pc. Also it would be nice to save them to my collection, but I have a feeling the reason you use quicktime is to protect the sites content and you both use MAC's. I was looking into one but I've only had my pc for 2 years and I've heard they tend not to be to friendly if you dont know much about them. I have been getting into video editing and someone recomended Final Cut. From what I can see for the price you cant beat it but I cant find a windows friendly version. I did see AvidPro, that looks alot like Final Cut. The minimum memory spec is a gig, thats all my pc will support, it recommends a gig and a half. I've been hearing about SDR ram...whats the word on that and how does it differ from DDR? Do you think it would be worth throwing a gig of SDR in my machine? Your advise is appreciated.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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That option was available however we decided that QuicktIme would be the way to go. I guess any new computer/operating system would take some time to get used to...I just think the Mac platform is sooo much more user friendly - at least from my experience. I use Final Cut on a little less that 1GB of ram and I have no complaints, other then "more ram is always good" (rendering time ). Video software can get pretty $$$$$$ so If you think you'll be using your pc then Avid I think is the best choice - lots of similarities with Final Cut. There's also Adobe Premiere for the pc - a bit cheaper than Avid but twice the cost of Final Cut Express.
Single data rate, Double data rate.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. So what in your opinon is better? SDR or DDR? Double data rate sounds like it would be better but I'm told the SDR is the way to go. I'm not formally educated so I really dont know all the tech speak yet, but I have gotten pretty handy with my pc. I upgraded and reformatted myself but I'm not an engineer by any means...but not a total dumbass either. I'm a bit of a do it yourselfer and music and video editing I've found I have a knack for as of late. I just need to get my hands on the right sofware. I'm sure I could figure it out from there.
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RickCage Rank: Senior Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:22 am Post subject: |
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I am also by no means an engineet either, that would be Ronald. My machine is running on SDRAM and it's pretty old but it gets the job done for now until the next rev of G5's come out - then it'll be on!! Most newer machines now have the DDR in them - newer means it's usually faster/better. I'm the same way - DIY man, I guess it depends on how serious you are about this new knack you have for editing and how much your budget is. _________________ If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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craigfox wrote: | Thanks for the info. So what in your opinon is better? SDR or DDR? Double data rate sounds like it would be better but I'm told the SDR is the way to go. |
Yes, I am a real life engineer. And my character on World of Warcraft is a gnome engineer as well. Off topic there.
While, I would love to spend the time and type up a super long posting related to the above question, I'm pooped from the "what in the world..." thread.
Here's a quick link I found online that can sum it up for you.
http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_SD_Ram_and_DD_Ram
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SD Ram is actually SDR SDRAM, and DD Ram is actually DDR SDRAM, though the former does not usually have the SDR in front of it. The letters SDR and DDR stand for Single Data Rate and Double Data Rate, and the letters SDRAM stand for Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory. The main difference between SDR and DDR memory is speed. There are a lot of little differences, but the main one (IMHO) that affects the user is speed: DDR can transfer data at roughly twice the speed of SDR. More speedy data rates = better performance. Just remember, the motherboard you are using must include the appropriate chipset to support the different RAM types. They are not interchangeable. SDR SDRAM comes in three main flavors: PC66, PC100 and PC133. Each successive number refers to the bus speed of the RAM in MHz, thus PC66 runs at 66 MHz, PC100 runs at 100 MHz, etc. SDR SDRAM has 168 pins at the connector. DDR SDRAM has 184 pins at the connector, which is one reason you can't just use DDR instead of SDR, and comes in many different flavors; PC2100 which runs at 266 MHz, PC2700 which runs at 333 MHz, PC3200 which runs at 400 MHz, etc. In order to know which type of RAM you need, you must know what your motherboard supports. I recommend searching the motherboard manufacturer's website for this info, or review sites like www.tomshardware.com or www.sharkyextreme.com . Good luck!
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A couple of things I forgot to mention:
While the numbers on SDR SDRAM referred to clock speeds, the DDR SDRAM numbers come from the theoretical maximum bandwidth in Megabytes per second (MB/s). Thus, PC2100 has a theoretical maximum bandwidth of 2100 MB/s, but runs at 133 MHz. DDR SDRAM modules are available from PC1600 all the way up to PC4400 now, which has a bandwidth of 4400 MB/s and runs at 550 MHz. " |
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Very informative,thanks Ron.
My machine originally had the PC2700 (256mb) When I upgraded I could not get it any more so I put the PC3200 in (512mb) Now I need a gig so....Should I go with a gig of PC4400? Or stick with the PC3200 and just increase the module size? I'm told putting faster memory in your machine does not hurt, it actually runs cooler(automatically underclocks itself to your specs)...so I'm told. Can I adjust my clock speed to match the module? I have an ASUS 533mhz motherboard. That refers to my bus speed...correct? Now there up to 800mhz, I should have waited a year to build mine but its plenty fast. Also what does the term bus refer to. Answer at your leisure...thanks for sharing such usefull knowledge so openly.
I envy your adventures online in WOW, I hear the game is endless and looks awsome. I wish I had the time and extra cash to play.I also heard you have to have a 256mb chipset to play...is that true? I have an fx5200(128mb), do you think it will handle it? I did pic up the sims2(dont laugh) I was board and in the mood for a new sim....very funny, much better than the first. So far I've managed to woo-hoo every women in the neighborhood and am at the top of my carrer track...still lots of stuff to unlock, I wish I had more time.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: Real Speed |
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The real bottleneck as far as being able to increase the speed at which your machine will run is at the on-board processor memory level more than at the off-chip RAM level. From an engineering standpoint, the best way to gain more speed in processing data is via on board or built in memory at the processor level, versus off-board RAM. That is one reason I am still using an "old" dual Pentium Pro 200 machine versus a newer PII, PII - P5 etc. machine. The old processors in my machine each have with 2MB of on-board memory. The newer, supposedly faster chips typically have only 256k of on-board memory.
How does more onboard memory make a "slower older" chip faster? The data a chip is processing is "alive" in a sense. If the entire volumn of the data can stay on the chip, while it's processing, the chip doesn't have to spend time and resources encoding the data it's using, sending it out to an off-chip RAM cache, indexing the memory, recalling the chunk that is cached (when that is needed for the continuation of the process, encoding the excess data from some other program/file and so on , sending it out to a RAM cache temporarily to make room for that which was brought in to complete the calculations for the first process, and so on and so on. Essentially what happens is the processor spends as much time shuffling bits between itself and the RAM as it does processignt the bits. On-board memory eliminates that whole traffic loop - freeing up processor power.
Anyhow, the basic point is, the best way to get real speed is in buying as machine that has a processor with a lot of on-board memory, vs. buying a machine that has a lot of RAM.
Actually, since my 8-year-old machine still runs all of the newer code-bloated software without any hiccups at all - I haven't been in the masrket for a new nachine for a while. Don't know if you can even find out much about what level of on-board memory the newest processors even have??
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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You are absolutely correct on the processor cache making the hugest difference but in my opinion, video editing/rendering should not be performed on any x86 system. x86 processors are barley at 1mb ..... and about $800 for a 2mb... Macs 64's are good ...... Sun and SGI are the best (both with 4mb processor cache) ..... 64bit processors with true 64 bit operating system architecture are unsurpassed. But I guess if you are doing low resolution editing/rendering and you only have a processor with 256k or 512k cache .... getting a replacement with 1mb or 2mb ..... will make a great difference............. 2ยข |
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: $$ |
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More than 2 cents worth - if you wanna talk SGI though.. Last SGI system I had the priviledge to be quoted in about '99 was at $13,000 for a basic bare-bones set-up workstation.
But then, if you're working at a lhigh-end production studio level and can charge the big bucks for your work, should have that paid off in a couple weeks
Otherwise for us basement editors - 2 cents will do.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Rick,
I was hoping maybe you could help me out. I put together this really cool video for a friends birthday with the windows movie maker. Now its all done and I can save it as a project but it wont let me save it to my pc or a cd as a windows movie file. The only way it will save is if I e-mail it to myself, but then it looks and sounds like ASS! I want it to look its best of course and this is getting more than a bit frustrating considering all the time I have spent on it. Any help or advise is appreciated, her birthday's not for a bit so no big rush. I sure hope you can help me out cause if not I'm gonna drop my pc off a very tall building very soon.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Craig - I've never used windblows movie maker - thank god!! I'm sure you have looked through your instructions and stuff but here it goes; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/moviemaker/videos/share.mspx
Not sure if this helps but if it doesn't a building at least 8 floors will be awesome - don't forget to get that footage.  _________________ If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Man,
Thanks for the help, but still no luck. For some reason when I get to the save move window where you can choose the compression setting, the next button is non-functional. I have no idea why. I've even looked in forums and as far as I can see no one I can find has had this problem. So I was thinkin, buy some shells for the shot gun...then wait for the new line of G5 to come out. This might sound odd but, could changing my DPI settings have an affect on certain aplications? I've noticed since I did that some web pages dont display properly, but for the most part it looks outstanding, better than I had expected. Thats the only major change I've made to my settings other than crankin up the resolution to match my monitors specs.
Does anyone know anything about the windows movie maker 2, or have ever heard of this problem? A friend of mine has almost an identical machine and his does just fine with the movie maker.
Contemplating computer homicide,
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried uninstalling then reinstalling windblows movie maker? The monitor res is not the problem, it's the software - unless your cd-r isn't compatible but you should still be able to at least save it to your hard drive. _________________ If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Ya know I thought the same thing. Windows movie maker 2 comes with XP. So I would have to completely Re-install windows...which I just did a month ago when I got the new HD.(I was thinkin maybe I did not get a clean install) This is the only feature that seems to be malfunctioning, as far as I seen as of yet. I'll check the updates page and see if there is a new patch.
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="craigfox"]Ya know I thought the same thing. Windows movie maker 2 comes with XP. So I would have to completely Re-install windows...which I just did a month ago when I got the new HD.(I was thinkin maybe I did not get a clean install) This is the only feature that seems to be malfunctioning, as far as I seen as of yet. I'll check the updates page and see if there is a new patch.
Thx,
Craig[/quote
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Hey Craig, could it possibly be a lite version of movie maker that came with XP? Maybe there's an upgrade version that'll let you burn to disc...  _________________ If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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There again I was thinkin the same thing..there is MMplus, its only 20 bucks. Its odd though, my friends pc does just fine. He does not have plus. I'll keep searching for the answer. I might just get plus, but if it still does not work I'm dropping this thing out the window for sure. _________________ Life without a friend is like a boob without a nipple...It's pointless. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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craigfox wrote: | Its odd though, my friends pc does just fine. He does not have plus. | I would check my friends pc to see his preferences for movie maker - maybe there's something he has enabled that you don't. Just a thought, although chances are you've already looked into this right?
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