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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Constance Mayflower - The opera singer Reply with quote

This thread is sort of a reference sheet for my fursona. I got the idea for this after having had a lot of fun detailing my fursona's sexual preferences in another thread. This will serve as information for anyone interested in my fursona, or in case I join a RP one day, since this is a collection of the most important things I've written about my fursona so far.



Name: Constance Mayflower

Age: 38

Gender: Female

Species: Horse

Nationality: English

Sexuality: Bisexual

Occupation: Opera singer

Height: She's tall. About a head taller than Betty and Violet, but I have no idea what their actual height is.

Build: Athletic yet feminine, with the firm and curvy body of a woman in prime condition. Constance has large breasts, and her legs are long, shapely, and strong, while still being very feminine. Her legs and feet are shaped like those of a human, instead of her having hooves.

Clothing Style: Constance's wardrobe is very elegant and fashionable, and always up to date on the latest fashion trends. She prefers dresses that accentuate her tall and athletic figure when going out. She'll usually be seen wearing dresses that cling to her body, displaying her curvy body and her ample cleavage. She likes dresses that lets her show off her long, powerful legs as well, so dresses with slits are among her favourites. Constance enjoys the stares that her attire may attract, so most of her social dresses are made from fine, thin material, allowing her nipples to be clearly seen straining against the fabric.


Background:
Born into a wealthy family, Constance was given a wide range of options of what she wanted to do. She was fascinated by the famous singers and musicians of the time, and decided to take up training in various forms or music, which was supported by her parents. It was quickly discovered that her beautiful and melodic voice was perfect for opera. Word spread of the talented young mare and how much progress she was making, and many renowned musicians came to the Mayflower estate to listen to the young singer.

It didn't take long for Constance to be a well known person in the world of music, and when her parents finally decided that she was old enough to leave home, there was no shortage of offers for her to perform and sing. Travelling around the world for many years, Constance earned both wealth and fame. She became known for her seductive voice, and her ability to charm the audience and bring tears to their eyes. Wherever she went, she drew scores of listeners; some who even came from far away to listen to her singing.

But eventually Constance grew weary of travelling and began thinking of how she might take some time out of her schedule to relax. She had been travelling for more than a decade, with only little time to visit her home or to really get to know the areas she visited, and the thought of living for a time in a quiet little town was very appealing to her. When she heard of Bon Bon, her mind was made up. She was fascinated by what the town and the Delight Castle had to offer, and it seemed like the perfect place to socialize and spend some time on her interests.


Personality:
Constance is a true lady. She's elegant, classy, sensual and graceful. She is mature and confident, and knows how her looks can affect others, meaning she can be a bit of a flirt and a tease at times, towards women as well as men. She usually has a small playful smile on her lips and sparkling eyes, which add to her already enticing looks and behaviour.

Constance is also a very gentle and caring person, with a heart as big as her breasts. She truly wishes the best for the people around her, and often donates money to the poor.

She is very interested in art and fashion, and loves to attend parties, to dance, and to perform for others. Throwing a party and being a good hostess are also things she loves to do, as she is very keen on socializing and getting to know new people.
Constance is in many ways a very musical person, and can often be found humming or singing quietly to herself when she's in a good mood.

Due to her extensive travels around the world and her personality and interest in others, Constance has a great number of contacts she can rely on for favors or information. She knows people from all layers of society and from numerous lines of work.


Residence:
Constance lives on the outskirts of Bon Bon. Her house is a large two-storey house, with a very large garden. The ground floor of the house is very large, comprising Constance's living room, kitchen and conservatory. There's also a large bathing room with an indoor pool. The walls of the bathing room are decorated in tiles depicting a dreamy, fairytale forest, filled with scantily clad females. The bathign room has a glass ceiling, and the room can be used for a steam bath as well.

The upper level of the house is smaller than the lower one. This is due to a large outdoor terrace, which serves as a place for both quiet relaxation as well as for social events. From here there's a perfect view of Bon Bon, the garden, and the nature outside the town, as well as a chance to get a slight glimpse through the glass ceiling of the bathing room.

The garden is very large and shielded on all sides by tall hedges. There are many trees and bushes, giving it plenty of shade and hiding places, but still leaving a very large, green lawn. Close to the house is a pool with a gazebo nearby. In the area surrounding the pool and leading up to the house are several statues of women only clothed in a couple of leaves. Furthest from the house is an intricate hedge maze, where people might easily hide or get lost.


Hobbies:
Constance likes spending time in her garden. It's a place for relaxation and fun for her. If she is having guests, she enjoys playing a friendly game of croquet during the day, or to host a garden party at night. When she is alone she is often naked in the garden. She'll daze in sun, feeling the soft grass against her body, and either read a book(she mostly reads romance novels) or just enjoy the sights and sounds around her. She also loves to spend time in her pool, and because she is usually naked when alone, she can just go from the water to the grass, where she'll let the sun dry her.

She also loves to just walk around Bon Bon. The beauty of the town attracts her, and she can usually be found enjoying the sights or finding out what Bon Bon has to offer.


Sex life:
Constance is very experienced, but that's from being older than others and from having lived a life where she travelled around the world and having met new people often. It's not like she invites a new partner into her bed every night. She's no prude though, as she likes to dress provocatively and to flirt, but she doesn't necessarily intend to take such things further, though she generally only flirts with people she finds attractive.

She prefers younger and less experienced partners, both male and female, as she likes to be the teacher. She's very patient and gentle, and likes to take her time and to make it a pleasant experience for her partner. She's not into all kinds of weird fetishes and always tries hard to make an inexperienced partner feel relaxed and comfortable with her.

Constance also has a submissive side. It's something she keeps a secret, as it's so far from her usual self. She is only submissive towards other females, and only if they are assertive, strong-willed women, who actually want to dominate her. She has a deep desire to be controlled and used during sex by such women, and will let them do many things she'd never let a man do to her.

Constance like many different positions and to use toys when with other women, and at times is willing to tie up a partner, though she isn't interested in being tied up herself, unless she's with a very dominant woman. She also likes to make good use of her large breasts and her strong legs.

Depending on her partner, Constance has different views on talking during sex. If she is in control, she'll typically be the one doing most of the talking, as she'll gently guide and encourage her partner, and offer lots of compliments. If Constance is being the submissive one in bed, she loves to be talked dirty to, as it greatly arouses her if the other female is very vocal during sex.
Constance also loves to moan, and does this a lot when she's having sex. She likes the thought of other people overhearing her mating session, and hearing how much she's enjoying it.

Then there are her nipples. They are very sensitive and she likes to have them played with as foreplay, during sex, and afterwards. Stimulating them is a quick way to getting her aroused, and during sex she prefers that her partners continue to pay attention to them. After sex she loves to have them gently kissed and sucked, so she'll typically cradle her partner to her breasts for this reason.


Male partner
Her favourite positions with a male partner:

1) Cowgirl. This is her favourite position of all, as it fulfils all the things she likes about sex. She is in complete control, and she can set the pace she wants and apply the amount of force to her movements as she prefers. She likes to just let her partner lie still and enjoy the treatment he's receiving, as well as enjoy the view above him. Constance is a very sensual rider who likes to display her body to her partner while she's on top of him. Should her partner be the kind who doesn't last long, she'll simply let it happen, after which she'll stay seated on him and continue once he's ready again. Constance loves this position so much that she'll often ride her partner several times in a row, playfully pushing the limits of his endurance as she has her way with him.

2) Missionary. This is another good position for her. Here she can wrap her arms and legs around her partner, and pull his face to her large breasts. Due to her height, her breasts should be right in front of his face most of the time. Though she's on her back, she prefers to still be in control, whispering encouraging words to him and guiding him as needed. With her strong legs around him, she can also influence his movements. If he begins to quicken the pace and Constance senses that he'll climax too soon, she'll simply tighten her hold on him with her legs, until he's unable to move. In that way she'll force him to take a break and get his movements under control.

3) Doggy. Whenever Constance feels like relinquishing a bit of control, she'll switch to this position. She also uses it to boost her partner's ego, in case he needs to feel like he's the one setting the pace and having his way with her. She can get a bit more wild in this position from time to time, bucking and arching her back with such force that her partner may be thrown off if he's not careful.


Female partner
With another female, Constance will use her fingers and tongue and breasts all over her partner's body. She also likes to use toys, and her favourite toy is a strap-on. She likes to wear it as well as being on the receiving end of it. Constance will typically wear the strap-on if she is the one in control, and when she is being submissive, the strap-on will be worn by her partner.

If her partner is wearing the strap-on, Constance's favourite positions are:

1) Doggy. Constance loves to be penetrated from behind by another female. She prefers if her partner is very dominating and a bit forceful with her in this position, and will even allow the other female to take hold of her hair and control her this way.

2) Missionary. While mating, Constance loves to look into the eyes of the other female on top of her. She likes variation between gentle and hard thrusts, as well as when her legs are on her partners shoulders, exposing herself completely and allowing deeper penetration.

3) Cowgirl. For a more gentle mating session, Constance likes when her partner is sitting upright, whether on the bed or in a chair, and holding her tightly. It'll allow lots of kissing, eye contact and their breasts rubbing against each other

If Constance is wearing the strap-on, her favourite positions are:

1) Doggy. This is Constance's preferred position for when she's wearing the strap-on, so she almost always places her partner on all fours, where she can better dominate and have her way with the willing female. Constance loves to be able to control her partner completely in this position, and will often take hold of her partner's hair or otherwise hold her in place while mating. Constance also likes to make her partner lie face down, so she can be on top and use her entire weight on her partner. She will usually quicken the pace and become more forceful the closer she or her partner gets to climaxing.

2) Missionary. In this position she likes to do it slowly, favouring long deep strokes, where she can enjoy the look of pleasure on her partner's face, and they can share passionate kisses. She also likes to make good use of her large breasts while in this position. Depending on the height of her partner, she may rub her breasts against her partner's breasts or face. Constance especially enjoys to raise herself up on her arms and get her partner to suckle on her nipples while in this position.


When wearing the strap-on, and while staying joined with the other female, Constance might also pick her up if she is small enough for that. This can be to simply change position, to carry her partner to another location, to press her against a wall, or to continue while standing up with the woman's legs wrapped around her.


Orgasm
Constance is capable of multiple orgasms, and she typically isn't fully satisfied until she has had several. Her whole body trembles when she climaxes, and she'll tighten her hold on her partner if in the missionary position. She can get quite a bit louder during particularly powerful orgasms, and always when in the doggy-style position where she is already bucking wildly.

Constance also tends to ejaculate a lot. While she is always very wet during sex, she literally overflows when climaxing. This can be an extremely pleasurable experience for a male, especially if she is on top. It can cause some problems for Constance, however, as it can be quite a shock to an unprepared partner performing oral sex on her. She always tries to hold herself back during oral sex with someone inexperienced, as she doesn't want to do anything that could be uncomfortable for her partner. Despite that, Constance is very proud of her wet orgasms and takes great pleasure in seeing the result of one on her partner's body. When having sex with someone who is turned on by her wetness, she likes to kneel astride her partner's face and masturbate to a drenching orgasm.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some additional details on Constance's sex life:

Heat
When Constance is in heat she is easily sexually aroused, and she may even be in a state of near constant arousal. It doesn't mean that she will be more willing to have sex with someone she meets, though, as she retains every bit of her usual selfcontrol, but she does enjoy the feeling of being in heat and how it affects her body. She also becomes more affectionate towards people she likes, hugging and caressing them frequently.

Constance is normally very wet when having sex, but during heat she's wet throughout the day, and even more so when having sex. She'll also ejaculate a bit more when climaxing. Her nipples are slightly swollen when she's in heat, and they are even more sensitive than usual, making it quite possible for her to get an orgasm simply from having them stimulated in the right way.

Having sex with Constance when she's in heat isn't something to be taken lightly, as she can be rather different from her usual gentle self. Constance has excellent stamina, and she is near insatiable when in heat. She'll coax her partner to keep going for hours on end, with almost complete disregard to her partner's need for rest, as she makes good use of either her seductive behaviour or her physical attributes to get her way. Some have even passed out from the exhausting task of trying to satisfy Constance when she's in heat.


Tails
To Constance, a tail can play an important role in sexual situations. She simply loves it when a female gets down on all fours and raises her tail, presenting and exposing herself so completely and so willingly. To Constance that is a sign that the female recognizes her as the dominant one and wishes to be used as desired.

Constance also loves to raise a female partner's tail herself. It can be done as a show of dominance, or to expose the most private area of a female too shy to do it herself.

If Constance has a female with a raised tail at her disposal, she will practically never pass up the chance to perform oral sex from behind on her partner. Following this, she will usually penetrate the female with her fingers or toys, or while wearing her strapon.

Constance is a strong-willed woman who prefers being in control, so she does not want anyone but herself to raise her tail. She will not allow her partner to hold on to her tail during sex either, as it makes her feel like her partner is controlling her. It is worse for a male to raise or hold her tail than if a female does it, as Constance is less likely to view another woman as a threat to her position of control. As a result of this, more than one male has been kicked out of Constance's bed for making the mistake of touching her tail in the wrong way.


Fur
As an equine, Constance has very short fur. Her body is therefore incredibly smooth to the touch, and her bodyheat is much more noticeable than if she had had a layer of insulating fur.

The exception to this is the fur above her sex. Aside from being a different color than the rest of her fur, it's slightly longer, as well as much softer. It's perfect for nuzzling one's face into, as many of her partners have discovered.

Constance is very keen on keeping her fur clean, though it doesn't require much grooming, since it's so short. She bathes reqularly, favoring long baths where she can relax and take her time washing and caressing her entire body. Constance also loves to get someone else to wash her, and whether she's alone or with someone else, a bath is almost always an erotic experience to her.

Her mane and tail require more care, as the hairs are much longer than those of her regular fur. Both her mane and tail are silky soft, just as the fur above her sex is, and she grooms both areas daily. Constance might let someone else do it for her, though it must be someone special and someone she trusts a lot, for her to allow another person to groom her tail. She isn't too keen on letting males groom either her hair or tail, though, as it's something she considers a female act.


Strapon
Constance favourite toy is her strapon, as it allows her to be the one who penetrates her partner, and because there are so many different positions for her to use it in. It's a dual-penetrating version, so when the harness is strapped on, one toy will be inside the wearer while the second one will be used to penetrate the other female, thus allowing both participants to be pleasured at the same time. The two ends are identical and of a size that's considered average for a male. They both have a nubbly surface to enhance the pleasure, and they are pink along with the rest of the harness.

It is Constance's most used toy when in bed with another female, and she always makes sure to take it with her on her travels.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May we ad some stands how we would like to with you?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ehh, I don't mind comments or questions, but something like that might be better suited for the thread about which members we'd like our fursona's to have sex with. I've tried to avoid going into too much detail about positions and such, as it's just meant as a general overview of her preferences. I decided to focus on what she likes to do, rather than exactly which other character she'd like it to be with.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heya this is a very great detail on the ref sheet....hmmm...simphony I may need your help on making mine. could you help one day?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you make a thread about your fursona, I'll be happy to take a look at it and see if I can help with something. Although to be perfectly honest, I doubt that I'll be able to help you that much with details regarding sexual preferences. It took quite some time to write my own, and my inspiration came from having a very specific idea of what my fursona is like.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

okies then thank you. I'm sure we can come up with something. my char is submissive....very *winks*
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see you decided to post it all up. How long did you wrestle with the notion of posting all this or not?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic wrote:
I see you decided to post it all up. How long did you wrestle with the notion of posting all this or not?

Not long, I guess. If you had asked me a week or two ago if I would write about my fursona's favourite positions and such, I probably would have said no. These are some rather intimate details about my fursona, and I really haven't written all that much about such sexual details here before this. I've been a little concerned about whether my descriptions would be seen as vulgar, but that would probably have been unlikely here, since others have already written sex scenes in much more detail. Besides, we're all adults here and we're used to graphic sex scenes in the comic.

Still, I really wasn't sure of how this would be recieved, but after getting some positive feedback in another thread, I simply decided to write some more. I'm having quite a lot of fun writing the naughty bits, as it can be seen from how much they make up of the total description. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't strangle yourself with guilt just yet. Members here are very tolerable, and if something does seem to cross the line with them, they handle it in a civil manner. Then its just a simple matter of rewording them with the 'edit' button.

I know such details don't bother me. I just haven't been in any sex scene descriptions or explaining penetration in mine due to trying to keep a few key members included in my discussions, such as Ashton, Xebulon, and Mr.Wolf12.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not feel that you must 'censor' what you discuss, Mystic.

I can not speak for others, but since i am rarely here or post anyway, it doesn't matter to me.

but thank you for the consideration. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know vulgur, Symphony, and this isn't vulgur. It's actually a very mature description and paints a very good mental picture of Constance.

Excellent work! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaosengine wrote:
I know vulgur, Symphony, and this isn't vulgur. It's actually a very mature description and paints a very good mental picture of Constance.

Excellent work! Very Happy

Thank you very much for the kind words. Very Happy

Her sexuality is important to me for a couple of reasons. One is that I wanted her to be sexy, and was very focused on this when I originally wrote my avatar description. So I've been giving thought to all of this for a while, but not nearly in as much detail as this last week.

Secondly, I think her sexuality is an important part of her characterization, and I hope that by what I've written about her sexual preferences, have portrayed the same personality as in other sections about her.

Thirdly, it's fun to write these things and and come up with more ideas for my fursona, as I hadn't written all that much until recently.



I'm soon going to post what is so far going to be the last part about her sexuality, because though there are still many more areas I could describe, they just aren't all that necessary to include here. I may of course change my mind later on, but for now there is just one thing that's missing. I intend to write more about the non-sex stuff as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am sure you will come up with a good part. I'm sure you will write a good one. you're better than I do Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, a great deal of information there my dear, but your forgetting one thing. With this knowledge of your sexual preferences and likes, you give us men the fuel we need to overtake the sweet opera singer by pleasurable storm!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LabrnMystic wrote:
Hmm, a great deal of information there my dear, but your forgetting one thing. With this knowledge of your sexual preferences and likes, you give us men the fuel we need to overtake the sweet opera singer by pleasurable storm!

Hehe, too bad I'm such a tease then. Tongue


I've added a little extra about where she. I don't really know what the purpose of that is, but I first thought of it in another thread some time ago, and decided to rewrite it and include it here as well.


and I've completed the final part(for now at least) about her sex life. It's about her orgasms and I guess it's a bit kinky, but I wanted it to be a bit special.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaos you stole the words right out of my mouth. Symph you are one heck of a tease and very good at it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Chuckles lightly* I like how you put that. A "drenching orgasm." Laughing

Hmm, I'll keep that in mind Brandon, though I'm still a bit hesitant. Not only for the sake of the other members like Ashton, but I don't want to get into any strange situations due to it. Such as the fun flirt who gets turned into a pin-cushion because all the men in a forum want a piece of her. Embarassed

Best beware yourself as well Constance. All this information, your going to have plenty of suitors come calling for a chance with you.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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*Chuckles lightly* I like how you put that. A "drenching orgasm." Laughing

Heh, was that a poor choice of words, or does the idea of it just seem too extreme? Confused

I'm better at coming up with ideas than I am at properly describing them. Especially when I try to do it in a short and hopefully tactful way. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you did fine Symphony. It just made me chuckle is all.

Plus, I was just imagining the poor unsuspecting male underneath you looking drenched like you just poured a bucket of water on him. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on your point of view (no pun intended), "poor" may not be the term best suited.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I (and Tadelesh, as a result) have always had an interest in that kind of orgasm. It's usually pretty fun. It's also a way for a woman to get her own back on a man for leaving her in a sticky mess. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Plus, I was just imagining the poor unsuspecting male underneath you looking drenched like you just poured a bucket of water on him. Laughing

Hehe, that's pretty much the same mental image I have of it, though I'll say that Constance will do this with a female partner just as well as a male partner. Smile

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Depending on your point of view (no pun intended), "poor" may not be the term best suited.

Well there certainly shouldn't be anything "poor" about whoever gets to experience this Laughing . Constance only does it with partners who are okay with it, though it may of course still be somewhat overwhelming to some.

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Oh, I (and Tadelesh, as a result) have always had an interest in that kind of orgasm. It's usually pretty fun. It's also a way for a woman to get her own back on a man for leaving her in a sticky mess. Wink

That's what I was thinking as well, and the reason why I included it. It's a bit of a control and dominance thing, where she stays on top and is the one making a mess of her partner. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid I've never been a fan of messy, sloppy sex. To quote Shrek, "Better in than out I always say."

I'm afraid the only style of mess I might be found in, would require us being in a shower, tub, or perhaps some "sloppy head" as that's a bit more acceptable for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly don't mind that there are some who aren't into the things I've written about my fursona. In fact I think it's good when people create characters that are flawed, or have things about them that others may not like. Not that I'd really consider my fursona to be flawed at all, as I've really tried to make her flawless in my own eyes, but I still don't mind differing opinions.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic wrote:
I'm afraid the only style of mess I might be found in, would require us being in a shower, tub
Now there's a good idea if ever I saw one. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no char or people are flawless Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no char or people are flawless Cool

True, but there are some who are really good at creating believeable characters. I'm a fan of plain occupations and personality flaws, but I have to admit that I haven't really done any of that with my description here. Not that I'm unhappy at all with my fursona at all. It's just that I really admire those who for example pick body types that aren't the perfect athletic or hour glass types depending on gender, or those who otherwise make sure to add some flaws.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Tadelesh is, more or less, an idealised version of me. He still has some of my inherent flaws though. Laughing
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